Ric Elias

That's when like literally I got married and basically we started the business.

So the 20s was the place where I was like, look, I belong anywhere.

I'm not better than anybody, but I'm not worse than anybody.

And to this day, I show up and I kill this meetings and I kind of laugh.

I'm like, how in the world did I end up in this room?

I'm sure sometimes that happens to you, right?

I start singing my hit.

One of us is not like the others.

It's just everybody's the same.

No one above, no one below.

So the 30s, a little bit of this is we struggle.

We struggle in there.

Losing all these pregnancies was really, really hard on our marriage.

And we were this close to quitting.

And going down the path of building our family in a different way took a lot of courage.

And not quitting the business took a lot of courage.

Yeah.

borrowing money from my dad to live for a couple years after we depleted the little we have, took a lot of courage and hustling our way every day for a long time, convincing people.

I was like, holy cow, ignorance is a bliss.

And necessity is actually a really driving factor.