Rich Roll

sort of these sycophants in the Oval Office who are currying favor to clear the regulatory space to do whatever they want while seeding these social media platforms with all sorts of information that manipulates us into thinking this is in our best interest and it's going to be this glorious future.

But we all know what we feel like when we've stared at our phone too long or when we've taken advantage of these AI tools.

There is kind of a dystopic

emotional experience to all of this that is inescapable and undeniable.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Yeah, we're convinced that these modern conveniences and the reduction of friction and the pathway towards more ease and accessibility will make us...

I mean, first of all, you're not a quasi public figure.

You're a full blown public figure.

Thank you.

But I share that kind of relationship because it's very easy to say, well, I need this for my job.

This is like my work and these platforms are one in the same.

And so you have this

very justifiable excuse to lose yourself.

And even when you're just mindlessly scrolling, you can tell yourself, well, I kind of need to know what's going on out there because it helps inform how I think about these things and talk about them when I'm behind a podium.

But is that really what's happening?

Like, where is denial entering the picture here?

But it's still an excuse to remain engaged.

Oh, yeah.

I make excuses all the time, man.

I mean, it's terrible.