Rich Roll

And I think these ultra races are like incredible, like spiritual odysseys that force you to confront yourself in ways that you can't run away from.

So there are opportunities for self-understanding and they have their moments of transcendence.

You can't

go 250 miles without meeting yourself exactly who you are.

Haggard and stacking rocks.

Yeah, like having to confront, like, you know, you just cannot run away from whatever you're compartmentalizing.

It all comes up, right?

And you have to contend with that.

And then you have these, like, you know, breakthrough moments of feeling like you're at one with everything.

And they are transcendent by nature.

I think they are really, like...

they're not athletic competitions.

They're like, they're, they're more like psychedelic journeys.

I definitely, I feel like that's part of the allure for, you know, somebody who comes from that, like, you know, kind of struggle.

And that's the opposite of addiction, which is using something to run away from whatever it is that makes you uncomfortable.

Like you're running towards the thing that makes you uncomfortable.

What's your pitch to the somebody who's now flirting with the idea of getting involved in this world?

It changed my life.

It's fair to say that.

What's coming up for you?