Rich Roll

I enjoy his company.

I respect what he's doing.

I think that he's earnest and I feel like I understand him.

And I think that he is operating in good will in this journey that he's on to try to unlock longevity.

And I think there is social value in having him run these experiments on himself and then share transparently his results.

But he's also kind of a cartoon character.

And he really understands the internet.

He makes brilliant content that is, again, provocative and gets people talking about what he's doing.

And his whole kind of shtick at the Enhanced Games was that these athletes are doing the exact same thing that he's doing.

He is trying to push the envelope on what's possible in terms of human longevity and

And these athletes in this organization is trying to push the envelope on what's possible from a human performance perspective in athletics.

And therein lies their kind of shared DNA or wisdom.

At the same time, what's good for longevity is orthogonal to performance.

And what's good for performance is typically at odds with longevity.

So these are actually oppositional forces.

But they are both pushing the outer limits on what's possible.

And I can see why Brian's attracted to what's happening in this world.

Well, and I would also argue that the pool didn't look like a fast pool.

I mean, a four-lane pool is not a setup for breaking world records, especially if you're in an end lane or you're doing anything more than 50 meters.

Because once you...