Rich Roll

And they're not really paid what they should be getting paid.

And Ben was like, I'm still subservient to the agenda and the goals of the enhanced games.

I recognize that I'm being used as a tool for them to sell these products, but at least I'm being compensated well.

So it's like a yes and, it's a both in this situation.

And I have deep reservations and concerns about

the normalization of these products, not only that they're benign and could be helpful, but that again, they're aspirational.

And there's this like kind of implicit message that everybody should be using these.

And I think that that is wrong and irresponsible and very dangerous.

Well, first of all, it's just when I wake up.

It's not like I'm setting an alarm and it's like so hard to get up.

Like I literally get up when I get up and then I go to the gym.

So it kind of plays like I'm being super disciplined.

But the truth of the matter is like, you know, I wish I could sleep in more.

I look forward to it.

Like I enjoy it.

You know, I'm enjoying the process of rebuilding my body in the aftermath of this surgery, like losing the weight.

And the challenge of seeing if I can get fit and strong again after atrophying and being so unfit, not just in the year since I had the surgery, but the years leading up to that where I was so compromised with this desire to be solid enough to see if I can start running and doing these other things.

And that excites me and it gets me out of bed in the morning like crazy.

enthusiastic about seeing what's possible for myself.

But I'm at the age where performance goals don't really matter.