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Rich Shapiro

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Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Not really. In a motion for detention that the federal prosecutor filed last week, the government says that she wrote in a cipher, a code. But they are using Teresa's associations to figure out what she and Ophelia may have been up to more than what was in her journal.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

In the detention document, the prosecutor says that the guns Teresa and Ophelia had on them in the car were purchased by a person of interest in a double homicide that happened in Pennsylvania two years ago, and that Teresa and the woman who bought her the guns were in frequent contact with a third person, who was a person of interest in another murder, this one in California.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

In the detention document, the prosecutor says that the guns Teresa and Ophelia had on them in the car were purchased by a person of interest in a double homicide that happened in Pennsylvania two years ago, and that Teresa and the woman who bought her the guns were in frequent contact with a third person, who was a person of interest in another murder, this one in California.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Jack Lasoda, who also goes by Ziz. She uses female pronouns.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Jack Lasoda, who also goes by Ziz. She uses female pronouns.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Yeah. So it appears through a close read of the court documents that Ziz was at the scene or had a connection to people who were involved in all of these crimes.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Yeah. So it appears through a close read of the court documents that Ziz was at the scene or had a connection to people who were involved in all of these crimes.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Yeah, so Ziz is somewhat of an enigma. She's from Alaska. She got a degree in computer science. She is very, very serious about veganism. She used to operate her own blog. where in one post, she asked someone if they were vegan by saying, do you consume the flesh of the innocent? She would only hire lawyers who are vegans, and she attracted followers, for lack of a better word.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

Yeah, so Ziz is somewhat of an enigma. She's from Alaska. She got a degree in computer science. She is very, very serious about veganism. She used to operate her own blog. where in one post, she asked someone if they were vegan by saying, do you consume the flesh of the innocent? She would only hire lawyers who are vegans, and she attracted followers, for lack of a better word.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

They lived communally in Vallejo, California. They were living on the property of an elderly man, and a number of these people, if not all, were trans women.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

They lived communally in Vallejo, California. They were living on the property of an elderly man, and a number of these people, if not all, were trans women.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So it kind of depends on who you ask. There are people in this community, folks in the Bay Area who have come into contact with Ziz, and they describe Ziz as someone who is manipulative and preys on a certain type, that being trans women who are socially isolated and open to these kind of big ideas.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So it kind of depends on who you ask. There are people in this community, folks in the Bay Area who have come into contact with Ziz, and they describe Ziz as someone who is manipulative and preys on a certain type, that being trans women who are socially isolated and open to these kind of big ideas.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So what do her followers believe? The Lesotho group, who've come to be known as Zizians, they have some unusual beliefs. And the main one is that each human being is essentially made up of... Two people. They have two minds. Most people have one good and one bad, and these are in conflict with each other.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So what do her followers believe? The Lesotho group, who've come to be known as Zizians, they have some unusual beliefs. And the main one is that each human being is essentially made up of... Two people. They have two minds. Most people have one good and one bad, and these are in conflict with each other.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

In 2022, Curtis Lind, who owned the property where Ziz was living, survived a brutal attack by some of the Zizians. He was impaled with a samurai sword and lost an eye, but he survived. Ziz has not been charged in the attempted murder, but we know that she was at the scene. Curtis Lind, he shot at his attackers and one of them died.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

In 2022, Curtis Lind, who owned the property where Ziz was living, survived a brutal attack by some of the Zizians. He was impaled with a samurai sword and lost an eye, but he survived. Ziz has not been charged in the attempted murder, but we know that she was at the scene. Curtis Lind, he shot at his attackers and one of them died.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So the two surviving attackers were charged with attempted murder and aggravated mayhem. Curtis Lind was going to be the star witness at their trial in April. Prosecutors say exactly when Teresa and Ophelia were driving around Northern Vermont being watched by the police, Maximilian Snyder, Teresa's high school classmate killed Lind to prevent him from testifying.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

So the two surviving attackers were charged with attempted murder and aggravated mayhem. Curtis Lind was going to be the star witness at their trial in April. Prosecutors say exactly when Teresa and Ophelia were driving around Northern Vermont being watched by the police, Maximilian Snyder, Teresa's high school classmate killed Lind to prevent him from testifying.

Dateline NBC
The 911 call in the Hollywood hairdresser murder. And investigators explore links between six violent deaths and a group called the Zizians.

We have no idea. Neither do her attorneys or other people I've spoken to who had previously been in contact with her.