Richard

And Wolf River is the area where Bart and Krista Halderson had their family cabin and where they were supposed to spend the Fourth of July weekend.

their son okay all right so this footage we're looking at here it's recorded by your body camera that's correct okay and who are you speaking to here uh this was mitchell halderson and his fiance one week after his parents mysteriously vanished mitchell tells investigators that he's so concerned about his parents well-being that he and his fiance make the three-hour drive north to the cabin they seem concerned and also as perplexed as we were about bart and krista halderson's whereabouts

But once inside, despite everyone's worst fears, the cabin appears empty to police.

As Detective Groans makes his way through the cabin, he spots a door to the cellar. So right about here, you draw your gun. Why?

but nothing there either.

So after searching the cabin, investigators make their way down to the lake to check on the shed.

Was there any concern that they might have been held captive in a place like this or been held against their will?

They break the padlock on the boathouse, but Bart and Krista are nowhere to be found.

So at this point, for you, this is a mystery, right?

As investigators and volunteers prepare to scour the county in search of the missing couple, news is spreading about Bart and Krista's disappearance.

authorities are still searching for a windsor couple who have not been seen in days my wife is pretty shook up too i mean they're very nice couple very nice family it's been a week since bart and krista halderson were last seen and while mitchell halderson is up at the family cabin searching for his parents his younger brother chandler is back home in windsor canvassing the neighborhood

He's seen on the neighbor's home security camera footage obtained by investigators. What are you seeing on the home security footage later?

Remember, one of those neighbors' home security cameras captured this mysterious white van, but it led investigators to a dead end. And yet, Chandler presses on. Chandler is recorded on one Ring camera asking a neighbor about their security system. We do.

Fourth of July, it's a day when people come together to celebrate our independence and the spirit of America. And that's what you'll see in Madison, Wisconsin.

Chandler approaches another neighbor's house and waves to the camera.

You were able to capture the road or my house? They discuss camera angles and whether their camera has night vision.

You can see he's really sleuthing, trying to uncover whatever evidence these neighbors may have.

Chandler walks up to yet another neighbor's house and rings their bell. The neighbor, a retired detective with the Madison Police Department, tells Chandler to meet him in the garage so that they can talk.

He heads to WKOW, an ABC news station in Madison, which has been broadcasting Bart and Krista's photo.

But Chandler says he's reticent to go on camera, saying he fears retaliation from whoever may have taken his parents.

With the town now buzzing about the missing couple, Chandler's back at home. And he notices a different kind of activity outside his window.

Later that night, Chandler comes voluntarily into the Dane County Sheriff's Office, where investigators bring him into this room and seat him in this chair.

Madison is Wisconsin's gorgeous capital city. Built on a strip of land connecting Lakes Monona and Mendota, generations of families have come here to lay roots. But as residents of a small town just north of here would come to know, secrets, lies, and betrayal don't stop at these shores.

This?

He's wearing a baseball cap, a sweatshirt, and a furrowed brow. Just so you know, I'm going to record stuff, OK? In that police interview, Chandler talks about the last meal he had with his parents on July 1st, right before they left for the cabin.

Chandler says that by the next morning, his parents had left never to be heard from again, except for that one reassuring text from his mother.

But investigators are skeptical too, and here's why. They know something Chandler doesn't.

Investigators have asked Chandler Halderson to come in for an interview, and they've also asked for his girlfriend, Kat Melender, to come in as well. Both agree to come in voluntarily, and they're in separate rooms while police act on a new tip that's come to their attention.

You start searching the farm. You notice something overhead. What was that?

What is a turkey vulture?

And was this in the area or a similar area where Chandler's car had been parked?

Hidden inside an oil drum near the body, investigators find a pair of scissors, a saw blade, and bolt cutters. But even with this grisly discovery, investigators will have to wait for the medical examiner to confirm that it is indeed Bart Halderson.

So right there at that moment, this goes from a missing persons case to a homicide. Yes. But here's what else has investigators intrigued. That farm has a link to someone very close to the Haldersons.

While you have Chandler, you have Kat in another room.

Kat draws a smiley face on a sequined pillow and clutches a Winnie the Pooh bear. A detective offers Kat a cookie to help put her at ease.

Make sure there's no chocolate in there.

No, we're not.

Oh, OK. So what struck her is while he was supposed to maybe be there to swim for his therapy, he was not swimming. Correct. What I find interesting is you ask her, would anybody want to harm the Haldersons?

She seems generally like, are you kidding me? No. Not them. What do you make of that? What do you make of her response to whether or not somebody would want to harm her?

Did you get the sense that she thought that Chandler had anything to do with this?

I don't think she thought he had anything to do with it. Not even suspicions, not even maybe, just nothing to do with it. Couldn't be Chandler.

How does him not knowing about that human torso affect the way you interview him, the way you talk to him?

That's when investigators lower the boom on Chandler.

So can we do that? Now it's time for the really hard questions.

And this all leads some to be asking, is Chandler covering up for his mom? Could she have had something to do with Bart's disappearance?

You have search teams up there. You have dogs.

You have to find Krista.

Krista is an administrative assistant for a local auto shop, and Bart is an accountant.

It's July 8th in Madison, Wisconsin. It's been a week since Bart and Krista Halderson were last seen. It can really feel warm there in the summer, even when you're not under the microscopic lens of the police. What's going on? Bart and Krista Halderson's youngest son Chandler is being interviewed by police. But he hasn't yet been charged in their disappearance.

Now, police are playing coy with him. They haven't yet revealed the discovery of a body at that farm in Cottage Grove.

Tell me what you're taking from all this as trained investigators who have to question people like this.

At this point, Chandler's not charged with murder, but he is charged with something else. Tell me about that.

Four days after Chandler's arrest, the autopsy results on the remains found at the farm come back.

Barbie Townsend grew up in Southern California, but would often visit her younger cousin Krista at the family's rustic cabin in northern Wisconsin.

OK, so what did you think when you got those results back?

You're asking the question of where's Krista. There was some talk in the community about perhaps maybe in some way, once the murder charges are out there, Krista had some sort of involvement in what happened with Bart. Did you pursue that theory?

What are you thinking there?

Happy person, it sounds like. Very happy, yeah.

I know you got to know Bart a little bit later, but what was he like?

And you know how Snapchat messages disappear? One of Chandler's didn't.

Investigators are leaving no stone unturned in the search for Krista Halderson. But with Chandler now in custody, hope is fading fast. Every minute that passes becomes more crucial.

They complemented each other.

But things are about to take a dramatic turn. When police first spoke to Chandler's girlfriend, Kat Melander, she voluntarily gave them her cell phone. And on it, they found a vital clue to their investigation. By the time Kat comes in for a second interview, both she and police realize how important it can be.

That screenshot saved on Kat's phone shows Chandler's avatar labeled hubby on the banks of the Wisconsin River. Snapchat is a social media app specifically designed to share photos that disappear. Once you open a message, you only have a few seconds to take a screenshot before that picture is gone for good.

In 2017, Snapchat added the feature Snap Map, which also lets you share your location with friends in real time. And why did she have them on Snapchat in the first place?

Barbie told me that nothing matters more to Krista and Bart than their two sons, Mitchell and Chandler.

With her lawyer present and her cell phone in hand, she voluntarily talks police through what she now realizes could be critical evidence, a technological smoking gun.

With the case in the news, Kat and her lawyer decide this information could be useful to police and to Kat.

Why did she do a screenshot of a snap map on Chandler at that time?

In fact, other friends told police that was Chandler's favorite swimming spot. A year earlier, an ex-girlfriend receives this picture, which she gave the police, of Chandler in that area, posing with a tree and a knife in his hand.

But as enlightening as this Snapchat evidence is, a treasure trove of text messages between Kat and Chandler is even more intriguing. Investigators zero in on a couple of erratic texts from Chandler, the morning Bart and Krista vanish, which sound ominous. I don't know, stuff hasn't really been going well for me lately, so I'm trying to plan for the next thing to expletive me over.

Yeah, I just had a great future planned and it's falling apart. Cat replies, no it's not, you're going to be okay. With suspicions of Chandler now high as ever, investigators obtain a search warrant and go back to the Halderson home.

Mitchell, the oldest, works in IT, and he lives with his fiancee not far from his parents' home. And Chandler, an Eagle Scout, is a young man on the rise. He's working part-time for an insurance company, living at home while finishing his college degree. And that's not all.

On July 11th, a judge authorizes a search warrant of the Halderson home in Windsor.

To step back a little bit, this isn't the first time you've been to the house, right? Right. OK, so what did you do the first time when you were in the house? What did you find?

Found his blood, but did that line up with what he said about cutting his foot? And that's why that blood was there? Or was it that you might have gotten a sense that it was something different?

And on that second search of the home, luminol testing would reveal traces of blood belonging to Bart and Krista Halderson in the living room, leading investigators to believe they've both been murdered. But as they continue their search, they find more ominous evidence.

How could she be texting him if her phone is sitting right there wrapped up in aluminum foil? Yes.

Do you have any sense of why they were wrapped in a room foil?

Detectives also did an extensive search of Chandler Halderson's bedroom, resembling something like an armory.

So we're in the basement now. What did you find down here?

OK. So you have the blood, the shell casing. Did this tell you, along with the other evidence, where Bart and Krista were killed?

So you had the shell casings, you had the ammo, but you didn't have the murder weapon. Where was that recovered?

The weapon was found hidden in a barn on the farm's property. No one had any idea it was there.

Now you have a link between the shell casings and the ammo in this gun at the farm. Yes.

But in June of 2021, the Haldersons' good fortune takes a turn.

Investigators already have the snap map from Chandler Halderson's girlfriend placing him at the Wisconsin River. But it's a second tip of a random sighting that piques their interest.

You have search teams up there. You have dogs.

Time is the essence. You have to find Krista. Yes.

What did you find at that location?

I see you thinking about it, and it's kind of, it almost brings about some emotion in you. For sure.

The location where Krista's remains are found seems familiar to at least one detective. And then it clicks when he sees a unique tree trunk, the same one in that photograph given to police by Chandler's ex, showing Chandler near his favorite swimming spot.

Chandler Halderson pleads not guilty to all the charges.

And just a couple of months later, prosecutors set out to answer those questions as Chandler goes to trial.

The city of Madison, Wisconsin, rings in the new year with confetti, cocktails, and a double murder trial. Prosecutors set out to prove Chandler killed Barton Krista Halderson. And a big part of their strategy is to prove their theory as to why.

The jury hears about Chandler Halderson's IT degree, studies in renewable energy, a dream job at SpaceX, and a new life with his girlfriend in Florida.

but they also hear about what prosecutors say was a concoction, a total fabrication of the events leading up to Bart and Krista's disappearance.

And as prosecutors begin to call witnesses, there's one who has a haunting story.

About a phone call he receives just before the murders, a conversation not only revealing, but stunning.

Chandler Halderson is on trial for the murder of both his parents. And from jump, prosecutors promised the jury they'd hear the reason why. And in their opening statements, prosecutors told the jury it all started because that promising future Chandler supposedly had was a mirage. Called to the witness stand, Omar Jobe, a Madison College enrollment officer, who says his phone rang on June 29th.

It's a call, he says, he won't soon forget.

On this call, Job is hearing a complaint from Chandler that for months now he hasn't received his college transcripts.

But here's the thing about that phone call. It's not at all what it appears to be.

On the other line, it is a Halderson, but it's not Chandler. It's actually Bart Halderson pretending to be his son.

Bart has been trying unsuccessfully for months to get the transcripts from Chandler, and he was beginning to get suspicious.

Prosecutors also alleged that Chandler had set up fake email accounts in an attempt to deceive his father about why his transcripts weren't coming.

But college wasn't the only alleged deception Chandler carried out. Prosecutors call in witnesses who reveal things like that internship at American Family Insurance. I found no record of that person working for American Family. The job at Elon Musk's SpaceX.

Prosecutors argue that essentially everything he supposedly had going for him, none of it was real.

So the insurance company internship, the SpaceX opportunity, the going to school, all lies. All lies. Yep. So you're hearing this at the trial. What did this make you think of him?

It's an explosive claim in court. Authorities say Chandler has been perpetrating this catfish scheme for at least a year. The call to Madison College would turn out to be fateful, and the last recorded words of Bart Halderson.

Bart sets up a meeting for July 1st with a school administrator and plans to bring Chandler along. Around 2 p.m. that day, Bart sends this text to his son. I'm ready whenever you are.

Chandler's text says, Dad's phone died. Text or call me. And get soda on your way home. I have an extra hour of work. Krista replies, Kay, I can. Smiley face. That would be the last text from Krista Halderson.

Prosecutors enter this photo into evidence at trial to support their theory that Chandler's fall is part of an alleged web of lies. Prosecution calls the ER doctor to dispel that myth.

That Father's Day brunch photo, which is shown to the jury by prosecutors, is just weeks before the murder.

But prosecutors also point out conspicuously missing on this quick trip surveillance video, Chandler's neck brace. And they claim it's the same story when he visits a local store.

The prosecution calls one last star witness, Chandler's ex-girlfriend, Kat Melander, who testifies about the impact of sharing the Snap Map discovery on her phone.

And later, she recalls something else she noticed during the initial search for Bart and Krista.

That smoky smell, a neighbor's security camera, and a flickering light are about to reveal another dark secret inside the home. It turns out, prosecutors say, Chandler has one more big thing to hide.

It's day seven in Chandler Halderson's trial as he stands accused of the murder of his own parents in what prosecutors say was a desperate attempt to conceal a secret web of lies. But what the jury hears next is some of the most disturbing evidence yet.

What was the most disturbing moment of the trial for you?

The defense didn't challenge Dr. Figueroa-Soto's testimony. After eight days of testimony, it's the defense's turn. Everyone's wondering what Chandler's case is going to be. But in a surprise move, the defense rests without calling a single witness.

Now, the Haldersons have a family cabin they love to go to on weekends. And initially, there's some speculation that this is where Bart and Krista are. But none of the neighbors saw them leave.

In closing arguments, the prosecution urges the jury to look at this image of Barton Christa, likening the pieces of evidence to that of a jigsaw.

Thank you. While the defense says all the state was able to prove was that Chandler is a liar, not a killer.

Just after 3 PM, news breaks that the jury has reached a verdict.

Chandler Halderson is found guilty on all eight charges. So what was your reaction to the verdict?

In March of 2022, at sentencing, Chandler breaks his silence for the first time.

Chandler is sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole, still leaving his family and friends with far more questions than answers as to why he murdered his mother and father.

If Chandler would have just asked for help, what do you think Barb and Christa would have done?

If you could talk to Krista one more time, if you just had one more moment to say something to her, what would it be?

And when Krista fails to make a medical appointment on Monday, it really raises red flags.

The story is a couple came and picked them up and took them to the cabin.

Is it like her to just miss that appointment or not tell anybody she wasn't going to make it?

The strange disappearance of Bart and Krista Halderson is a mystery captivating local Wisconsiners.

Including a pair of podcasters.

And I'm Richard.

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Their podcast, as the name suggests, mixes suds.

But that weekend in July 2021, strangely, the couple are nowhere to be found.

And that's Krista right there.

I can always tell Krista by that shock of red hair.

Yeah.

The cabin has been in Barbie and Krista's family since the 1940s, when it was built by their grandfather.

Sounds like this was a place where you and Krista really bonded.

Chandler had told family members he knew his parents were going to the cabin for the weekend, but he was expecting them home by Tuesday the 6th. Now, Tuesday's come and gone, and the couple seems to have vanished. How did you learn that Bart and Krista were missing?

On July 7th, six days after Bart and Crystal were last seen, Chandler heads to the Dane County Sheriff's Office to report his parents missing.

Detective Sabrina Sims and Brian Schunk will lead the investigation, and they meet with Chandler later that day at the Halderson home in Windsor. At that point, you're here just trying to figure out what happened.

From everything that you knew about Bart and Krista, was that the kind of thing they'd do?

Chandler tells detectives that his parents planned to fix a water pump and a fire pit up at the cabin, and that both were damaged in a recent storm. So he says he helped them pack supplies, including a pipe wrench, a hatchet, and gas cans for a chainsaw.

You've got to get to that cabin. You've got to get to that cabin right now to figure out what happened.

When investigators inspect the Halderson home, they see both Bart and Krista's cars are still in the garage.

Chandler tells detectives that his parents left in an unknown vehicle. And when detectives review neighbors' home security cameras, they spot a white van driving down the Halderson Street in the early morning hours on Friday, July 2. Could this van be the vehicle driven by that mystery couple?

Hoping he might know who the couple is, investigators speak to Chandler's older brother, Mitchell, who lives close by. But he says as far as he knows, none of his parents' friends went with them to the cabin.

They're gone. Their cars are here. What are you thinking?

You've got to get to that cabin right now to figure out what happened. Yeah. I have to imagine your mind starts going to terrible places.

And when investigators finally reach the cabin in the woods... Sheriff's office, make yourselves known. what or who will be lurking in the shadows.

And I will cry. You know what? I don't care if she's a jerk. Everyone heard how much of a jerk she is. I kind of wish the girls could have given all the food back, too, and vomited all over.

Well, okay, I'm not the one viral, but my daughter was a part of it.

Hmm.

So basically I had to drop her off at the mall, like in the food court. And what I understood of the plan was they were going to go have lunch and do party activities. And then the group was going to head over to Build-A-Bear.

The birthday girl's mom was taking care of that.

Yeah, it was great. I'll be back in a few hours. It was perfect.

Sounds like a good plan.

Yeah. So I go home, and I come back in a few hours, and there's my daughter just in tears when I see her.

Well, it was more than my kid. It was other kids, too. They were all upset.

Yeah. What happened? So I got her in the car and asked what happened. She said that the mom forced all the girls to give their Build-A-Bears to the birthday girl.

That's what I was asking myself. So I contacted another mom who was involved, and she couldn't believe it either. She was really upset.

Well, what she said was that the mom wanted each girl to build a bear so that her daughter would remember her. Each one of them by the bear that they built. They built for her.

I mean, we already gave a gift.

Yeah, she did pay for the Build-A-Bear experience.

All these girls had to stand and whine. They had to make each bear, and then all the bears were ripped away from them at the end.

Okay. So I have the lady's number.

That would be a cherry on top. I don't expect it, but I just need her to know what she did was wrong.

I don't know how to say it.

This is why I'm calling you. I can't be trusted.

Yeah, I mean, what if she says, I haven't heard anything?

I feel like I see why she did it. She wanted this special moment strictly for her daughter. Okay.

And it's not a teddy bear. It's 12 teddy bears. It's so much more than it's, yeah. It's making all these girls feel bad.

I'm going to try to keep it under control.

Hello? Hi, is this Megan? Megan? Yeah, who's this? Hi, this is Richard. I'm Vanessa's dad. Oh, yeah.

Hi. Good. First off, I just wanted to thank you for inviting my daughter to the birthday party.

Well, I will say she had a really good time, but there was one little issue. And I'm just kind of wondering if you had feedback from other parents.

So I'm assuming what you're talking about is the Build-A-Bear situation.

Right. Cool. You get to make the rules.

And with no regard to the other children's feelings. Was that one of the rules?

So you bought every one of their tears is what you're saying.

You purchased each. Was it build a tear?

It was a labor camp. A labor camp?

You put all these girls to work for your daughter. I'm not the only one who thinks this. All the parents are talking, and they all kind of think you're a jerk. Okay, great.

You should have them make a Build-A-Bear police bear and then just take that away, too. Ooh, burn. Thank you. Ow, that hurt. You know what? The truth is, you know who else thinks you're a jerk? Everybody listening on the radio right now because you're on Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. What are you talking about? What the hell is going on?

Yeah, you just got outed for being a first-class jerk to the entire country.

Paper covers rock.

Second Date Update.

Well, it's a familiar game to all of you, I bet, but we play it in a different way. Okay. Me and my buddy, when we're out, you know, in a public place.

Where we're around gorgeous women or women in general.

And what we do is we shoot rock, paper, scissors.

Whoever loses is the one that has to go and strike up. Oh, wow.

Yeah, I mean, as you might expect, the rejection rate is pretty high, but you'd also be surprised how often it works. Okay.

Yep, exactly. My buddy's paper covered my rock, and we were at the park one day, and there was a cute girl just sort of sitting on a blanket, walked over and introduced myself, and her name is Hannah.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no. This is between my pal and me.

No, not really. You use the same line. It's like anything else. It just gets tired and you're not into it.

I just said, hey, how are you? It's gorgeous out.

The weather. The weather. I know. It's stupid as it is. It works.

Yeah. And we talked for a little while and we set up a dinner date, like a proper date, you know, downtown at a nice place.

It went really well. We were in there for like about close to two, like an hour and a half, two hours. I mean, just taking our time, casual conversation. And she looked

hot i mean she looked so good so it's one of those things where i wanted to kind of prolong the fun for as long as i could but it had to end um of course so we walked outside and uh there's like one of these live remote tv crews doing you know posting on the street interview stuff in a positive way or at a your restaurant just is getting shut down for health violations

No, nothing to do with the restaurant. They wanted to ask people about, like, crime in downtown.

Busted. So they asked me, you know, and I'm a bit of a ham, so I was like, all right.

So did my thing. And then we sort of moved on from there. I didn't get a kiss. I got like a big hug.

I tried to be sincere, but I'm still trying to be lighthearted about it.

And that's why I'm talking to you guys.

I don't know. She kind of got in on it. I pulled her into the interview. And so it was, you know, both of us talking to the reporter. So that's good.

OK.

Okay.

Yeah. Oh, man. Way twisted around, you guys. Yeah, you twisted it. Oh. I'm saying that this is kind of embellishing what happened. I mean, you know, I think I saw the purse snatcher guy. You were right there with me. I mean, and face it. I mean, if there was a guy who was going to be downtown snatching purses and Just look at that dude and think, okay, that's the purse snatcher.

He didn't look as guilty or sketchy or such as anybody.

Yeah, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You were the one that said, look at that dude with, like, the bandana on. You know, like, who wears the freaking bandana?

No, you, Eddie, embellish her. If they brought this guy into your studio and you took a look at him, you'd be like, yep, purse snatcher.

Amen.

Kennt ihr auch diesen einen Freund, der morgens einfach so ruckzuck aus dem Bett und danach aus dem Grinsen gar nicht mehr rauskommt? Der sogar noch vor dem ersten Kaffee unverschämt gut gelaunt ist und mit der Morgensonne um die Wette strahlt? Furchtbar. Ekelhaft.

Taken.

I'm taken.

He's jacked.

It's like, that's it. It's so weird.

I'm going to eat the brains out of your head! Trust me. Yell louder.

If you're watching this on Red Note right now, it's too late. You're dead.

This is a question.

There's something under the ground. It sounds like a heartbeat. It's like tunneling.

some things watch your bridge i'ma make it collapse don't you forget i'm the mothman i'm the mothman you can find me in your closet just in your coats in your car going real fast going real far i don't care where you're going don't care if it's a beach oh you're gonna hear

Boom!

Yeah.

I know this is his podcast, but you can tell the truth.

Was ist Hades' geistige Überzeugung? Haben sie eine predominante Religion?

Er ging auf einen Mission-Trip da und er sprach über all die Voodoo, die sie machten.

Verzeih mir meine ungewöhnliche Unwissenheit. Tortuga, wie in Piraten der Karibik. Ja, ja. Tortuga. Nein, das ist nicht dein... Ist das tatsächlich... Ja, all diese Geschichten.

Es hat ein hartes Gehen. Mein Bruder nannte es eine der schrecklichsten Erfahrungen, die er gehabt hat, weil sie in einem christlichen Gebäude waren. Jeder wusste, dass er christlich war. Sie standen auf und an dieser Nacht gingen sie auf die Außenseite des Walls. Ich werde es nicht beschreiben, aber es war etwas, was mit Hunden auf der anderen Seite des Walls passiert war.

Das war seine erste Erfahrung mit Leuten, die in den spirituellen Raum glauben. In einem sehr praktischen und praktizierenden Art und Weise. Ich schätze, Haiti ist reich mit dem Spuken und dem Außen. Aber das ist eine weitere Herausforderung, wenn du versuchst, diese Kulturen zu erreichen.

Ja, super schwer.

Ja, oh mein Gott, es ist so, weil er auf dem Kick ist, wo er sagt, dass alle Wege nobel oder gute Wege sind, es ist so, aber es ist dieses seltsame Wasser. Ich mag, dass Mel Gibson darauf reagiert hat, er war so, dass das Nummer eins auf Moses Hitliste ist. Ja, das ist so, wie er es bezeichnet hat. Ja, ja.

Rogan's genuinely confused. He's like, why would they do that?

What do you mean?

basically it's after jesus is resurrected yeah oh man and he said but it's gonna focus almost solely on the spiritual battle aspect so like evil and good at battle i wonder how that's gonna look he said him and his brother and was it someone else does he have brothers there's a group of people that have been writing it for six years they've been writing it and he said because you can't write it in a linear way it has to like go forward and backward and they're trying to make that timeline like

Ich glaube nicht, dass er es klar gemacht hat.

Ja, was auch immer er morgens trinkt, wollte ich. Alkohol.

I texted Josh and Andy when that dropped and I was like, I'm about an hour in and I feel like I never went to Bible college. Yeah, totally. Instantly. Felt like I knew nothing.

He's got a photographic memory for sure. Even in the debate with Billy Carson, where he's like, oh, you're referring to whatever Sinaticus. He's like, it's in this book here. Yeah. Wow. Das ist einer von diesen Leuten. Ich hatte einen Professor wie den. Es war so cool. Du könntest in sein Büro gehen, wenn du recherchierst. Und er hatte Bücher auf drei seiner Wälder.

Und er würde das machen und dann holen, fliegen und dann handeln. Du warst so, danke, Mann. Unglaublich.

Das ist wild.

In dieser Kultur, ja.

Yeah, it was budget, water reservoir, and then I watched people saying, we're evacuating, but the same thing they did in Hawaii. You can only go down this route and it led them straight into a gridlock. They were like, you know, I mean, you gotta funnel people out when that many people funnel. It's gonna lock down.

But they were saying, as residents, like, there were clear, like, let us go that way, and they wouldn't let them go. Oh, wow.

They're not gonna release the numbers. Same amount of people that have died in North Carolina.

Ich kann es nicht glauben, diese Feuerzeuge, Mann. Und sie gehen noch weiter, richtig?

Oh ja.

They were the type that does this. And it just kept everything wet enough. And he saved, it was 14 more houses down the street that literally, because his didn't go, it split. Und dann hat er 14 andere Häuser gerettet. Es gibt einen anderen Arzt, der nicht weggehen würde. Es gibt so Bodycam-Fotos, wo man sagt, Sir, du kannst nicht bleiben. Und er hat literally einen Gartenhosen.

Er ist so, ich gehe nicht weg. Und sie kamen zurück und er hat sein Haus mit dem stinkenden Gartenhosen gerettet. Er würde einfach nicht weggehen.

Das wäre so schrecklich. Ich würde gerne, dass jemand mir erklärt, wie Sprinkler in einer Gartenhose Wasser behalten. Oh, ja.

Everyone's seeing it. Yeah, Paige had the scary thought with all the activity on the East Coast that it was a distraction so that some sort of, like, you know, if it really is, the chatter is China. Like, that came out with all the weird orb stuff. Yeah, but if it was a distraction on this coast to pull off that on that coast, That's out of thin air.

I didn't read anything about it because I was like, that's not real.

Yeah. So it can, oh, is it fake? Forbes, six days ago, meet the Enron egg, an at-home nuclear reactor, that's totally fake. Okay, so Enron is the company that like, womp, womp.

The egg-on-egg is a hoax from a parody company of the same name.

I saw the clip of the female running and there's like a follow car. And she's like, don't follow me. Yeah, she was like, I just pooped myself. Don't film from behind. Yeah, seriously. The car like slowly pulls ahead.

I'd be like, nope, this is national television. Give the people what they want.

It's a three-hour show. It's like, how are you not? Yeah, seriously.

And she's running around.

Love her or hate her, it is impressive how active a three-hour show is. That's crazy.

fly yeah well if you have your own private plane you probably just walk right on yeah the take off takes longer that's what I'm saying like just moving to the runway that's Jason Momoa too for one of his premieres in Hawaii he was on the north shore and traffic was shut down so they chartered a helicopter I landed at the event I don't think I'll ever get an helicopter I don't think I will it scares me so much we did it once we had one rockstar moment in our whole career tell us about it only one yeah

Which venue got your favorite guitar? Oh, that's a good one. That'd be weird to me to leave one rig behind and go to another.

That has to be there.

Drop that beat. One or two? Two. Alright, it's different. It's really different. Be ready. Be angry. Okay. You agree?

That was so loud. I promise the level was where it should be.

There were so many youth group kids who suddenly started playing shows. It went hard. They wanted to rebel against the normal.

What do I do? Turn your volume on your phone off. We're going to hear it through his phone. And he'll count you down to click on it. And he'll count us down to hit play. Okay.

So this says the son is about to sue his dentist. Oh! Taking his wisdom teeth out. Have you guys seen this?

Oh mein Gott.

Hold on.

So they're like, let me just see this owl flip night vision on and there's a body under it. That has to be fake. I hope it is, but I thought it'd still disturb you. No, Enron Egg posted it.

Watch. Okay, go back and watch the beginning. He pulls it and it drops. He's like, because, you know, they fracture the tooth and then he's pulling out bits and the dude's awake and the wisdom tooth falls down his throat. He goes, his mouth is strapped open. He's going... So the guy picks him up.

That's how you die. That's a way to go. So that was a little horror for each of you. Andy's talking about getting his wisdom teeth done at some point.

Okay. Ready to fact check.

Diamond dust. Breathe bright like a diamond.

red tide will do that but yeah you'd see like dead fish you see all of the red algae and stuff though or the you don't it's not always red sometimes it's like we would surf it does get stinky but but you it definitely kills fish like there's like a yeah it won't be we surfed in it when like the water looked fine a little frothy but it wasn't red at all but i mean it's like don't say frothy

Es ist ein Chemtrail.

Or to send a hurricane somewhere.

I think that's what you said. Will McGinnis thinks Luigi's a hero?

Ich habe es noch nie gesehen.

Dude, it's like an epidemic of fear, though, because in my ring app, my neighbors are like, are you guys hearing the booms? Ich sage es dir, aber es ist psychologischer Krieg. New Year's just passed and the amount of people that were like, what is that in the ring app? I'm like, you realize there's a firework stand on every single corner.

Wow. What?

Das ist wie... Nein, das letzte Mal war es wie... Ja, es klingt wie ein Spring River. Metallic. Metallic. Metallic Prop.

Zuerst mal. Nun, nun, nun.

Yeah, I want to know, is there like a story that someone's told you, where as a skeptic hearing it, it's like, man, that one unsettles me. Let's give a little preface.

But I'll do what I have to do.

Don't you dare walk out on me! Oh, what?

Diego!

It is what that be.

I like this.

What other choice did I have, Richard? You're lying to me. Hats, stickers, wristbands, all types of promotional items. From where? Sunday cool, whatever that means. I mean, what am I supposed to think? You're lying to me, Richard. Why? Why? I did it for me, okay? I did it for me.

That's so rough.

Yeah, that is from that show as well. Just the hardcore bitch for no reason.

I know, but it's made me laugh for a good amount of times.

I was grabbing those little meat sticks from the well, I mean, once you get used to it, I guess it's better. But like, you know, and yeah, you're back at the hotel for breakfast.

I grabbed that. Well, I did mostly fasting, but a couple of times one grabbed those little like beef jerky sticks they got done.

It's plenty of plenty of Snickers bars as well in the studio.

Good for you.

It was me, Yanko, Richard, and Seb, producer Seb.

Mark. Set up the timestamp. 19 minutes and 7 seconds. CS talk begins. Wokey's taking over the world, man. What's going on? All right, that's it. That's the only timestamp.

Well, he could probably use that. Yeah, that's what we figured when we were leaving as well. And then I think it was Sam, Blair, and Dust at one table. Oof.

Who's the fourth? And then it was Connor, Launders, Maui, and Dinko at the other table.

Yeah, you'd think so.

I mean, they're number 10 right now. Okay. There's no way they drop 20, 23 stars. It would be kind of crazy.

Yeah, I don't mind them taking a little bit of a break after this. I think the point of so many teams being out in China right now that they'd want to practice against, and I don't know if there's necessarily even a point to trying to grind some Counter-Strike and practice some games until you know who your fifth's going to be.

I bet there's still a conversation to be had of bringing Device back, as much as it probably is the smart... Well, he said in his statement he was going to come back next week.

yeah exactly and that's where I'm like you know as much as it makes sense and there's a lot of logic and there's a lot of reasons to say he should be just let go and and if he wants to retire retire but Astralis shouldn't count on having him I think that conversation is going to be ongoing and until that's a deadline for it for sure yeah yeah I think that's probably the key I think I think maybe it's one of those things where maybe you're not going back and practicing but there's probably got to be you know the in-game leader sports director coach and whoever within the company having conversations and looking into options and starting to game plan different ideas if device doesn't come back

Do you want to go with Bro? Is there a fifth player that you want to go out for? Do you have money to go out for a fifth player?

Well, I mean, we can either do one Saturday or if for whatever reason we don't want to or it doesn't happen, Janko and I can always do one.

We'll never know unless... There's certainly some evidence to lean that way when you look at the rest of what he's done. But go on about Groove.

It was four tables in like the size of this hotel room. So we were all reasonably close to each other.

Do you think, do you think, how much better do you think Claudin would be if Perfecto was playing for Inter's right now?

I was really disappointed watching their T sides, like how just basic they were and how just like they, there was nothing going on. And I think that was, that would seem to be a trend for me watching a lot of like the Russian and teams from that region, the CIS region, like Washington, they were all very similar.

I felt like really uninspired T sides and like, for a region that really kind of pioneered out of the online era, that style of like multiple lurkers, like finding gaps and like pulling the defense around and people getting aggressive lurks going on and sliding into gaps like none of that has been going on these days. Everything was based on defaults into like a trade game into an execute.

Wow. A mood. A good mood. I was, I was just like, I was awake and I was active and I had energy. So I just decided to capitalize on the situation. You guys went out with trance and it's an off day.

No team. No current team. Hooch is just hanging out. Okay.

And even they look shaky at different points in different ways as well.

I'd like to start with South Korea.

Yeah.

I don't know. I think there's some interesting parts of that Cloud9 lineup. I think there's potential for a longer-term future with Icy being young, with HeavyGod being new.

Yeah, and maybe he doesn't for long, but he's signed there for now. And I don't know how long his contract is, but I'm imagining no one signs a one-year contract. It's going to be a multi-year contract.

But also, I wonder if like, this is where I think the conversation then goes to like the electronic side of things where it's like, you know, you come to this Cloud9 roster from, you know, the god tier Navi, and then it crumbles and doesn't reach any of its potential. And not to give like Groove any kind of a pass, because I think all the criticisms are very, very valid around it.

But I wonder if there's some like, there's something that happened internally. We obviously haven't heard much of what happened during that era, why it failed so spectacularly. But I wonder if from like a Cloud9 management perspective, they're like, we kind of are giving Groove a pass on that.

And you just never know. Maybe it was just such a disaster between the players that there was nothing a coach could do.

Well, the context quote in the headline didn't help him out. Because there was a lot of context to the quote within the interview itself.

And I mean, he makes that point in the interview as well. Like he mentioned specifically, when you look at like teams like Eternal Fire and Astralis not even making it, like this could have been worse for us. Like we're very easily might not have made it to this stage.

And then also when you hear the Astralis, like your little Instagram DM of like, Astralis not making the major means they can no longer afford my job. And you realize Cloud9, from an organizational perspective, getting to the major and getting those stickers is kind of the bare minimum. It's a huge deal.

I'm a man of the people, Chad.

I don't mind going down there and having a conversation with a common man.

Yeah, it makes sense. It's a long trip, so capitalize while you're there.

No, I mean, it was one of those situations where I criticize him for not because we've had this thing with VP all year. We've been denied access to talking to players, denied access of talking about various topics with VP when we do get a chance to talk to some of them. And that was frustrating. And I did come out and say, like, why? Why is Norbert once again doing this losers interview?

Unbeknownst to me at the time on the Chinese stream, James did go out and do an interview with the Chinese broadcast on the stage. So, I mean, that's my bad. I just kind of mentioned, you know, we don't have that level of communication with Perfect World. We don't have like a rundown of what their show is.

We don't have communication in terms of who they're going to be getting, which we normally have at events. So it was something in the moment that just kind of tilted me and I didn't know that was going to be happening.

I still think in essence that my argument and my anger is justified in the sense that this is a team where like they don't owe us anything, but like there should be some accountability throughout the year of this project just struggling and limping along. Yeah.

Also, it's the only interesting thing about the team this year was talking about that in-game leader clash and the philosophy of styles that they're trying to work around.

I mean, he did say in the Chinese interview, we still don't know what we are going to do, but the changes are likely. Everything suggests that there will be some.

Do you think this counts as Counter-Strike talk for the timestamp purposes? I was speaking with Maui and Londres yesterday. They're both avid listeners of the Talking Counter podcast, which is... Unlucky for them.

And there was, I mean, it was a group of 12 of us as well. So you know how that goes. It's like split up into tables of four. I heard. Yeah, for the Korean barbecue split up into tables of four is quite nice. I love that arrangement for the teams. I love the way that you have all the information as well. Where'd you get the scouting report?

Shit on American Counterstrike, baby.

I know. And they are both avid timestamp fans as well.

Not the heavily detailed ones, but they do like the Counter-Strike talk.

Before the major. No, after the RMR. Oh, I have no idea.

Well, because they had they had the they had the two RMRs as well before. Yeah, they had a while, but I thought it'd be I don't know.

But I mean, look, complexity is just not good enough. They just make too many dumb decisions.

No, no, no. I'm with you. I only do one timestamp.

Yeah, but again, I think there is that certain base level where we go back to the groove thing, and obviously with a team like Complexity, top 16 is kind of, you know, we expect them to be there, but from an organization perspective, getting those stickers is a massive deal for the org. But yeah, there's plenty of problems with Complexity outside of that still.

Yeah, trying to bring sponsors in, especially in the Americas where Counter-Strike isn't as big, and trying to find partners to work with to be able to rebuild and regrow, and

have options to pivot to when a roster doesn't pan out and who knows where he's going to be able to take things that's the thing right in terms of buying power that's one of the biggest problems he's going to have is is having cash available to try and buy big names around a leash the only thing is if he sells a leash then maybe he can buy another couple of players but then you lose a leash yeah well this is 22 you have a very shit situation don't you yes yeah because i'm with you i have that same philosophy where it's like the only way to get money to get better players is probably to sell a leash he's the most valuable asset on the team but then you're losing a massive piece and a massively talented player

Yeah, but I think that's how it has to be.

I mean, from a complexity perspective, I don't know if that's how it has to be. I think from an Elish perspective, that's how it has to be. I think Elish should be the one being like, I want out. I don't know how much longer I'm going to be doing this. I've spent a lot of time in this.

More, I think. More?

He's got time, but at this point, if you're Alige, aren't you kind of like, look, I've done this whole thing. We're coming out of COVID. America seemed collapsed. I stuck around because I didn't want to go to Europe. Now it's time.

But it feels like such... Nathany's out there looking for an international.

Nathany is out there. Nathany is out there.

I think the hardest position that Complexity has found themselves in is this team, this lineup kind of sold them a dream in terms of the success early on in CS2. Yeah, and they were kind of like languishing in that, almost breaking into Tier 1. We just need that one little win to get us over the hump, the one extra deep run to get us the confidence to maintain that position.

meanwhile you had teams like wildcard coming together changing rosters grabbing young talent bringing european players in you had mad starting on a rise young players young talent bringing in europeans and all of a sudden now when you get to the major a year down the road those young players and that experience and that work they put in all year are paying fruition but for complexity they still just never broke through and now you're seeing like all that hard work going nowhere so i think now it's just degraded because it's like what the fuck like we've tried everything you know like

Yeah, I see what you're saying. And you've missed the opportunity to go for some of the young NA talent that you could have been working on.

I feel like they had a couple. I mean, I couldn't identify them in terms of like a timeline, but I feel like they had a couple of those events where it was like, dude, a change has to happen. And then they do well enough to keep that lineup just on life support.

Like, this is a problem. Complexity has no draw power. True.

I don't think so.

Yeah, they got Amaranth back there.

What if you just give wildcard a leash for Sonic?

Well, not give, not like a gift, but, you know. Because I'm thinking, why in God's name would Stanislaw be like, yeah, dude, I'll go to Complexity. I'll just start over with this team that is clearly a fucking mess.

Why is the conversation Stan going to Complexity? I know, but think about it. If you're Stan and you're Wildcard, you're like, why? What's our motivation? Our team just made the top 16 of a major. Yours got knocked out. You have clear issues that have been persisting for a year. I don't think that's even a concept that would fly if I'm part of Wildcard.

No, I think they're going to have to go ground up again. They're just going to have to start over.

And the way Stan stepped up in the games, like the closing it out on Virtus Pro on Anubis was discussed. Like his last three rounds in that game were fucking masterclass. Same thing with Ancient. Ancient against Passion was unreal. And it's just like, you have the team playing well, you're calling good T-sides. They had two styles.

I don't know if you guys noticed this against VP, like really fucking brawly, really trade focused, really get into bomb sites quick and decisively don't even allow a retake and against passion. They slowed things down in that series and they played a more default style and they actually worked the map and it was just like, oh, you guys actually have a playbook.

Stan has one thing that I don't know any other player in North America actually has when you talk to him. And just, like, knowing him and just kind of seeing what he's done over the past few years. Like, this whole – he's got such, like, a good, strong mental game.

But, like, his mental game in terms of, like, determination in terms of, like, understanding the long game and, like, setting the long goal. And I look at it and I'm also, like, this is a guy who at one point –

like really focused on his, I mean, this is, this is going a different direction, but he like focused on his own health and he became like a bodybuilder kind of guy, you know, like he's actually been able to go through a process in life of, I'm going to improve my health. I'm going to build muscle. I'm going to set this goal that I want to be jacked. And he's gotten there.

You're on that ground right now too. But Stan is law. You're able, you're able to bring those concepts over to, over to counter-strike now. And I think when I watch him playing, I'm like, fuck, that's actually the leader of the team. Like that's actually a leader of this team.

yeah he's calm and poised he's relaxed he's not freaking out when they win rounds nothing more than a ghost of a smile hyping up his boys when they make good plays like everything seems positive out of it and i just i i get that sense because i know from from knowing him in the past over the years and the last time i think i spoke to him in person was in stockholm um but just his demeanor as a person is is really cool to watch i think i spoke to him during epl when they were there

I actually, I'll even say this. I actually think that she did a good job presenting her side of the argument. I think it was completely fair and reasonable. I think she nailed it. I think she's a net positive for that org and that team and for American Counter-Strike, to be honest with you.

No cap, as the kids would say.

or maybe maybe they're the same audience I don't know you know different strokes for different faces I don't know that whole thing I was just watching it it's like I really I really in some level I couldn't I was like this is at one point it just descended to I think both people both Sonic and Amaranth like finding ways to make it feel like a personal attack from each other's side like I was just like guys come on like this is silly like I'm sure he appreciates the fact that you do support the organization not on camera though yeah unless you charge for it that can go on the OnlyFans um

Yeah, but you didn't tweet it, you know.

I don't know. I think so.

in the first game Jason 3D Max MIBR and they both really like Anubis so it's like you know that's a fucking 50-50 game and someone gave the heads up as well unless Mongols beat G2 it's like Navi and Vitality are like playing each other in like every situation unless Mongols beat G2 I did see that I haven't looked into that but yeah

They do. He's about a week behind from your take. Two weeks behind even.

I'm really curious to see what FaZe is going to look like. Because all of a sudden, I think with the wildcard, the way they're playing, I feel like there's even in a best of one, there's some upset potential there.

Right. But we also enjoy when he's brash and he comes out and takes that fight against an org that's kind of screwed them out of money. But then you've got to take the brash angle. You've got to be okay with that when he comes out and says something like this.

0-3 I went wildcard and game of legion I think the fun is over now we play against big boys game of legion haven't been a good team I don't know if I could put wildcard in 0-3 I would put game of legion in 3D max but then 3D max plays MIBR I might actually put pain or heroic as the other 0-3 but heroic plays big that's the problem then I'll throw pain in there

And so impressively as well, not just winning, but winning impressively.

Oh yeah.

Dunstan Checks In.

Is there a bifurcating there?

No.

Why did you think I would know this movie?

Yeah. Oh, wait, never mind. We covered that. Go on.

Okay. Yeah, go on. Jason was a teenager.

That's funny.

And his ability as an endgame leader outweighs a lot of deficiencies as an individual.

he's shown to be a good player his brother's a good player as well so yeah a bit of a shame maybe they'll end up together in the future yeah maybe maybe maybe i played with my brother back in the day and we split up on a team we got a big fight so that shit happens must have been his fault yeah it definitely was yeah it was um yeah i don't yeah i don't really have much you know we covered that one spear versus furia heroic versus big who cares

I'm right there with you.

Yes, I'm good. Well, you've seen the bitches. I haven't. What pictures?

I mean, he's on his rebound. I mean, good for him. Honestly, like go out and go out and get the job done.

Yeah, they could run that city.

I don't mean I don't expect him to form without saying he has to play better if they want to win but I mean I think there's the quality of the players on G2 to be able to carry another kind of middling performance from him to the playoffs to the playoffs

well yeah they can't i mean again nico yeah there'll be some there'll be some rough spots there'll be some moments where we're like what's happening right but i mean you have nico and malves and um those i think those guys can do enough especially again it's like once you get into it once you get past it even if g2 is gonna end up playing in a 2-2 game like with the other teams that'll be down there which ones of those are you gonna see them able to like actually beat g2

I don't think so. We're comatose on Furia. I was actually pretty high on MIBR coming into this and it's cooled off. I was really excited to see them. I was hoping that was going to go a lot better.

I think we're just baked into the city now.

But that's a performance out of him that I don't think we get super frequently.

I think with me, for Payne, it still comes down to Big E's era. Like, he still has to be the guy. For me.

For sure. I mean, the bartenders are always happy to see us. They see us coming through the doors at the end of the shift and they all like start walking forward, greet us at the door. It's great. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They worked on it and it didn't pan out.

The classic, like it's been going really well for us in practice.

Things get weird in the domestic ones.

No, I swear to God. Not like right at the round door, but, you know, they step forward out of the restaurant. Well, they're grabbing your coats and stuff. And they're like, hey, guys, you guys coming down later? Who's getting food? We're going to have some drinks. What are we doing? What can we get you started for?

Yeah, dude. We can't open any windows in here. I've been in here for literally 26, 27 days straight now. I need something.

No.

Uh, once a week, usually.

I think so. Yeah.

I mean, they, they, they're, they're, they're like neatly tucked and everything. I just kind of assume they do that. They feel, they feel fresh.

Yeah. The blood's not there.

Have you noticed underneath the sheets, there's almost like a... It's a protector. Yeah, like the protector. It's that weird fabric.

In terms of sheets?

So we have a bed frame. We have a low bed. So we have a bed frame, no box spring, and then the mattress. Um, and then on that we have a fitted sheet.

No.

Yeah. And then Jane and I just do comforter.

We don't mess with that one extra thin sheet. Do you have any extra layers? No, just the sheets.

This one doesn't.

Usually they have it.

No, it's too much work to have that sheet.

Yeah, I can skip that step.

I think we're done. Let's give ourselves 30 minutes. I'll throw this at it. I can upload it when we go down to the Red Bull thing. It's on the first floor. I can pull my life together in the meantime as well.

There's got to be something. But I think we nailed a lot of things is why we feel like we're good.

It felt like we did. Did we ever nail anything?

I don't think so. Everything's been major, dude.

I like that there's the old gen Swede duo, like the OG Counter-Strike Swedish duo, and then like the new gen Swedish. I think that's cool.

I did not vote for all four of these people. I'll say that.

I don't remember.

I voted for two of them.

Oh, yeah. We got to rank one, two, three, because originally we were only going to put three people in, and they raised it. They raised the number that we're getting inducted.

You voted for Solo?

That's fair.

I'll nominate you next time around. Fucking hell.

Goodbye, everybody.

Unlike Astralis, we are providing them with jobs.

It's very kind of them, isn't it?

Freya's coming in?

Yeah.

Yeah. She's joined the fucking Dunstan crew, hasn't she?

Second one should be good. That's going to be all about the Danes and Astralis, obviously, right?

So you could be a news anchor, basically.

I would imagine it's relatively similar to reading a book.

He's got his tablet set up like six feet below the camera. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm good. How are you feeling? I'm feeling all right. I woke up far earlier than I needed to. I've been awake for a while, which was unfortunate. But I feel good.

What have you got? Oh, I know where you're going to go with this.

I don't know. Where are you going with this?

We were laughing. We were just spamming those stickers and we were having a few drinks and I looked down and see Chad has left the group. And I was like, you know what? That's fair. That makes sense.

Oh, you're going to do this bullshit and I'm going to get angry.

I see where this is going. Keep going. Keep going. Come on. Just, just fucking do it.

Y'all fucking Europeans are so fucking mentally ill. It's unbelievable. Go on. Continue. You're Australians, whatever the fuck you are.

Alex gave me shit for this too.

You're gonna just tilt me off the earth.

Yeah, of course it's going to be the jet lag excuse. I'm seven hours behind. I'd like to see you start your shift at 10 p.m. Having to go to sleep at 1 p.m. Jet lag doesn't work like that. Second of all, the first two days were 5.30 starts. And then the second two days were 3.30 starts. You haven't had any of those 3.30 starts.

Well, that's your own fucking problem.

Yeah, I would too, which is why I was angry that I come in jet lagged, unable to sleep, and it happens.

I had to listen to all of you bitch and moan in Dallas when you came over for one event in a year. All of you. I don't remember us bitching and moaning in Dallas. I'm including the players in the all of you equation.

There's no hold up. The jet lag thing always works. When FaZe comes over and loses, they're like, oh, they're so jet lagged. They just won the major. It's fine.

Yeah. What time is it in Malta right now? It's like one hour, the same time, one hour behind.

I understand.

What are you talking about? That would be the case if he came from east to west.

No, what it means is when I'm on the morning shift, I'm trying to go sleep at one o'clock in the afternoon. But you're not at home. Yeah, but my body thinks I'm still there. That's what jet lag is. Am I losing? What is going on? How is this even a fucking conversation?

Yeah, literally everyone just was like, oh, yes, Chad's gone. All right, well.

Oh my Lord. Chad, let's move on.

You also know the other layer. You also know the other layer to that.

The schedule controversy that happened in Stockholm and then leading to here where Harry Russell just gets to go, hey, I really wanted to be able to have just a conversation with Chad after work one day.

It's not like anything useful goes into that group anyways.

I looked at the message. He said, I want to have a conversation with Chad one day after the broadcast. And that turned into the entire swap of the rotation.

Yeah, because he felt bad for doing it because he, unlike you and your casting partner, understand that it put me in a rough place for the first week. You don't hear me bitching and moaning and running around on week two.

It would have been fine. I probably would have had a rough week one still, but I wouldn't have been salty about how it went down. Maui's been on the mornings. I haven't heard him complaining.

Yeah, but they were complaining. They just, not to you. I didn't hear it. Well, because you're never around. You actually left the WhatsApp group. You've just actually disassociated yourself. You're not going to hear the complaints.

Hey, this is Richard. I just got out of a lunch with my sister-in-law. Bold take. You get one basic modification to your meal. After that, you're an a**hole. You say, hey, no pickle or no onion. Add tomato, whatever the heck. You get one. Anything after one, you're a piece of a**hole.

Dan!

You know, we were all, a lot of dentists, we have an annual day on the Hill where we lobby for different things, but we were, I testified before a Senate committee in the afternoon and a representative committee in the morning, and they're pretty much on track to pass this thing. So that could make everything moot in everywhere else in the state, but we'll have to wait and see.

Thank you for having me.

How are you doing? I'm in Aventura and greetings and thank you for having me on. And I appreciate the good work that you've been doing over the years. So, so nice to be with you.

Well, you know, historically, it was realized that early 1900s, 1901, it was discovered that a certain city in Colorado, Colorado Springs, people had brown, ugly teeth, but they also had no cavities. And it took them a few decades to realize there was a reason. It was the fluoride, which was much too high in the water in that city. But

That set the stage for some research to be done in Grand Rapids, Michigan. It was a big study, 1945. So bottom line is, without getting too into it, it was discovered with time that a very small, small amount of fluoride added to the water supply

It occurs naturally, but a small addition to an optimal level helps prevent decay cavities in children and adults, and it's been proven with decades of literature and valid research studies, as opposed to the crazy studies that people tend to bring up, these fringe studies that are not well performed and stuff like that. Some of the stuff you just heard was definitely a reflection of that movie.

And this is the day and age we're living in of misinformation. We all know that.

Right. So I feel like when I hear some of these other studies, I feel like my IQ has dropped precipitously just hearing about these things. But the reality is, yeah, when people quote studies like that, if you take a close look, frequently those studies are either performed in foreign countries, Iran, China, India, not to denigrate those countries, but

Frequently, the levels of fluoride are typically way too high, and the nature of the studies are flawed. But if someone looks at the decades of valid, solid scientific research, then I don't know why they need to point to these other wacky studies that demonstrate stuff that's just not true. And our surgeon general, as you alluded to, Dr. Latipo,

He's free to gallivant around the state, just purporting misinformation about this. And between him and RFK, it's threatening to ruin the health care of our country, much less our state. So it's really a tough time. I mean, anti-vaccine, let's bring back polio, let's bring back measles. Hey, let's get rid of fluoride. It's a really bad trend that we're in.

I think according to his family, he drank some can of paint when he was very young, and it affected him for the rest of his life, something like that.

It's between 25 and 45% roughly. I mean, but it's, it's also well known what happens if you take fluoride away, like look no further than Calgary, Canada, they're putting it back now because they realized that after they took it away, there was,

a 700 increase in hospital admissions iv antibiotics serious health problems one misconception is when you hear the word cavity people think of a tiny little cavity in the tooth but cavities become large cavities which become abscesses which turn into facial infections which then can become hospital admissions and even death in a rare case.

And especially the underserved population are more at risk when you take away fluoride. So Calgary is putting it back. Other communities that have lost it, they see the results and then they go back because they realize this is just a bad healthcare decision to take it away.

That is a point that some people make, but you might as well say the same thing about other healthcare measures that have helped tremendously in our country, like the vaccines are a clear example. I mean, kids need to have vaccines to go to school. Parents technically can tell their kids, I don't want to send you to school, but

then we're looking at higher rates of measles and whooping cough and other things without vaccines. So I compare it to the same thing. Technically, people have a choice in this world. You can move to a non-fluoridated area. You don't have to turn on your tap water. You can buy a reverse osmosis filter. So there technically is choices, but...

The government has been in a role, the EPA, whoever, of trying to do what's best for the health of the citizens of the country and the state. Local communities want control. I know it sounds kind of radical, but parents technically have a choice. We all have a choice. You know, so what about the kids that don't get fluoride and they don't have consent over their disease process?

They end up in doctor's offices, in hospitals, you know, God forbid, severe infections, especially the underserved. So, you know, you can talk about choice. I know that's a popular talking point, consent, but it all turns out to be BS at the end of the day. We need to all live in a world that keeps everyone as safe as possible. Same with seatbelts and cars. I mean, technically...

You're taking away my choice. I don't want to put a seatbelt on my kid. Well, you know, we need to intervene and do what's best for people.

no question i mean there's a statewide there's a there's a bill called the florida farm bill which includes a bunch of different things but among them is one thing on fluoride that that if it passes will per will forbid the addition of fluoride statewide and it looks like that's on track unfortunately to pass but the prediction is that major communities in our state will fight back with court filings and different things saying wait a minute

How dare you take control over our ability to control our local residents? Miami is not the same as Bartow, Florida. It's not the same as the land. We're all different. And how dare you take that right away? But that's threatening to pass the Florida Farm Bill is set to likely pass.

I'm looking for any challenges and opportunities for my professional goals.

So maybe in the next five years later, I can see myself on a leader position. But right now, I'm looking for an individual contributor role.

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the call. Really appreciate it.

Yes, we're good. We're very safe.

Yeah. We're Orange County.

Sorry.

So here's what I'm asking. I'm going to be, I'm 50 years old, basically with three children, you know, all toddlers under the age of 10. And, you know, I'm tired of just the day-to-day rat race. My job, you know, pays for our bills, but I don't ever have anything saved. Um, my wife is a stay at home mother. I'm taking care of the kids and we homeschool. Okay. It's very, very important to us.

We're very religious when it comes to that. So that's a non-negotiable for getting a job. Um, but you know, I'm, I'm, I own my home. I have 300 grand in equity, you know, um, I had been on the job a long time and I'm just You know, I'm just staying above water. Cost of living is just so expensive here in California.

You know, my monthly nut that I have to pay, pardon my French, is, you know, $8,300 a month. You know, my mortgage is $4,900. I have, you know, one debt, which is my car payment. You know, I owe like $17,000. My wife's car is paid off. You know, so I'm just... Hey, Richard.

You should move. I want to move to another state. And move to another state.

And pay cash.

My wife's open to it. It's just all her family is all within a 20 mile radius within here in Southern California. So it's a little bit of a challenge. That's what I did. They're older. It's not good. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. And that's, it is hard. And you know, it just, I could go and pay cash for a house in another state, not have any debt.

My income's going to stay the same in the next 10, 10 years. It's not going to, fluctuate that that much going up and i make 137 000 a year what do you do for a living uh i do national accounting okay okay yeah travel I travel a lot, and I thought I was getting a second job on the weekends, but then I'll never see the kids because I travel.

Uh, we have a 14,000 in that.

That's probably about five months.

It was expensive. We have about $150,000 left on that.

Yeah, that makes good sense. I like that.

Yeah. Thank you so much. That's good guidance. I appreciate it.

Hi. Thanks for having me.

Hi, so I was just let go from my job suddenly this past Thursday.

And my question for, we'll make it through. We're on baby step three. We've got our expenses saved up.

But my question for Dave was, what should I be doing during this time? Should I be looking for a job?

part-time job maybe to help bolster that emergency fund make sure it doesn't run on short or dry should we move out of the house are there any special considerations what were you doing before i was the director of music for a large well-known church in the area okay do you see a position opening up and doing something similar anytime soon It's kind of thin.

It can take a couple months, three months conservatively to find a job that's so specific that matches my very narrow field of expertise.

She teaches some piano lessons here and there, but she really likes being a stay-at-home mom.

Yeah, thanks for the advice. Would you push me more in the direction of a full-time job or would it kind of depend on the situation?

Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

Well, the reason I was calling is I just recently changed my Fidelity 401k account, and I've actually brought it up to 75% of my income. And we have a military pension and my wife works. And so, but my question is, we recently purchased a brand new motor home and that is our residence. And so we have no other bills other than the motor home itself.

And we weren't sure whether or not I should be investing like I am into my 401k. I didn't mention that I am I'm 58. I would like to retire at 62 as well as my wife. So we're just a few years out from that. And so we're just going, I wanted to get the money into the market as early as I could in this new year. And so we're, you know, I just, I upped it up to 75%.

I wanted to see if that made good sense or not, if it did make good sense.

I have 117,000 in my 401k. And my wife has about $13,000 in hers. And yeah, I guess that's about it. And then we do have our high-yield savings that we're using for, we have money in there for our emergency fund.

Well, right now, I haven't seen my payslip, but I'm somewhere in the proximity of $1,600 to $1,800 every two weeks is going into that.

And then I'm getting a paycheck of like $390, close to $400. Okay. And I put that into the high yield savings.

And the military pension. That's correct.

No, we don't. We actually sold our house a couple years ago. We relocated to Tampa.

Well, we paid off our car and then we bought another, we bought another camper and we paid cash for that. So that wiped us out of all that. So we, we became debt free at that point. And, and so.

Yeah, our month-to-month budget. And this includes putting, we have money that goes to our grandkids. We save for them. And then we also have extra that my wife has out of the budget. But it's like around $5,500. But that also, out of that, there's $800 of it that goes into savings. Okay. Into savings. So it actually could be a lot. It'd be like $4,800 maybe.

Or $4,600. Yeah, something like that. That's about what it costs to operate. And that includes the payment of the motorhome. And we do use the EveryDollar. We're religious about that. We love that app.

Are you saying that you would recommend that I back off my contribution or would you leave it at 75 and go? Or are you saying?

No, no, I get it. I agree with you. I just I wasn't sure whether or not I needed to back down my my contribution to my fidelity account and then, and then go aggressive.

So the number after taxes times 20.15.

So I got into a pretty bad hole of debt, all credit cards. Um, I got a house about two years ago with my ex now and uh, you know, I buy, I was buying stuff for the house and then we broke up and I went down the rabbit hole of spending, you know, not being pretty financial intelligent with my money. So then I got, I'm looking at it now and I'm about 50 K.

And I was using 0% interest, and now all of them are hitting that mark where the interest is starting to come.

Correct.

Ex-girlfriend, because we never got married. But the house was just mine.

Um, I bought it at $230. It's my mortgage now is at $209.

Um, I think about $265, $270 on a good day.

I pay everything raised up from when I got it, but now it's at $2365. I take home about $43 a month, $45 a month.

Yeah, everything, you know, with all the interest going up, it's going to look scary.

Smallest it would be for my business I try to go into, it's about $2,800 right now. And then it goes to $4,300. And then it's $6,100, $6,700, $833, $9,000, and then a $12,000. Yeah. I...

No, but I got a girlfriend and she's staying with me.

Right, but I'm not expecting anybody to help me. She helps with, like, groceries, and, you know, that's nothing else. I could ask, but, you know, I'm not trying to do that.

She buys me certain stuff. She'll give me some money for a bill here and there. She'll pay all the groceries all month.

So that's step one, get her to pay half?

Probably the minimums at that because the minimums are looking dangerous now.