Richard Feidler

And he very kindly invited me one day or a few times actually to watch him operate.

And I think that sparked the interest.

No, never.

And I think if you did, you'd be in the wrong job.

I mean, certainly you can have weeks when you're on and it can just feel like a conveyor belt of one after another of problems.

Yeah.

But I don't think you ever get to the point.

I've never met a peri-retirement doctor who said, I've seen it all.

You never get to that point.

Yeah, I was almost 14 when we left.

So I went to all my primary school there and first year of high school.

So I remember quite a lot.

I'm sort of embarrassed to say in retrospect, but I suppose anyone from that generation, I was born into the system that

You know, I didn't know another system.

So, you know, it's ridiculous to say in retrospect, but you'd go to the beach, you know, frequently, and there was just a sign on the beach that said whites only.

And this was the whites only beach.

And there'd be a park bench that said whites only.

And everyone at my school was white only.

But all the media was government controlled, so heavily curated.

And, you know, not at all making excuses, but I don't think I really understood the full extent of apartheid and its atrocities until we moved to Australia.