Richard Fidler

Really.

So they walk out just standing a bit straighter and feeling a bit taller as they walk out.

Yeah, the confidence is an instant boost of confidence, yeah.

Yeah, and that's another way into talking about all kinds of things, just starting a conversation with music.

Like I said at the beginning, you spent your earliest years in Tonga with your grandparents.

What were they to you when you were little, Charles?

Obviously she was a really good and kind person.

I wonder why she thought she wasn't good enough for that bed or is that the right word for it?

In that hotel room or was the bed, was she just distrustful of luxury?

I wonder what that was.

What do you think?

Because she just thought that would be a waste of food if we threw it away.

It's a nice way to make a point.

Rather than force the kid to eat the plate, if she does it, then that's kind of cool, isn't it?

That's clever.

You're listening to my conversation with Sydney barber and youth worker, Charles Lomu.

So you came back to Australia to start to go to school, living with your dad.

And how was your dad with you?

Was he different in the way he tried to bring you up?

In a hectic city.