Richard Jaffe

And I said, what's going on with our Dracus?

And David said...

Well, we know he was there and he's not telling us the truth.

So we're going to charge him.

He can either be a witness or a defendant.

I said, well, what are you saying?

And he said, just that, witness or defendant.

It's his choice.

If I had any idea that they thought he was there, I nor any lawyer would allow their client, in any case, especially where a death penalty case, to be interviewed by law enforcement.

They just wouldn't allow it.

Frankly, I felt a little inept and a little foolish as well as a little deceived.

And I said, well, what can I do to help?

And he said, well, go in there and get him to tell the truth.

And I said, well, then you're going to have to give him immunity.

David's word was good with me, and I walked into a little office where Ardragus was in his wheelchair sitting there.

Didn't look happy.

Certainly wasn't happy with me at all.

And I said, what's going on?

And he said, they were screaming at me, and they made me tell the story over and over and over again and even tell it backwards.

And I said, well...