Richard Justice

Well, part of that was he had a bad bullpen a couple of those years.

But I think that's why John Sherholtz would have a toast to the staff every year to say, hey, what we're doing is –

What we're doing has not been done before because there was so much what you call pushback in Atlanta.

We're underachieving.

So all that is true, and I think Bobby would agree with you on that, that they should have won more.

But every year has circumstances.

Some of those years, his bullpen let him down.

He replaced Bobby in Atlanta.

Ted hired one All-Fame manager, Bobby Cox, and hired another, Joe Torrey.

Well...

No.

I mean, Joe Torre got in the right situation with the Yankees, and he'd be the first to tell you that.

Failed with the Mets, failed with the Cardinals.

To me, the person I knew the best was Tony La Russa.

So much of what I know about managing and dealing with players and managing bullpens and games and preparing teams to play for the game came from La Russa.

I had long talks with him through the years about it, and

What I know about the game even more than from Earl Weaver came from Tony.

He was curious, always curious, and so competitive.

It was nuts.

I knew him better than I knew Bobby, but