Richard Lindzen

I mean, so you have these things.

Papers are written to satisfy the funding agency.

Nobody seems to pay attention to them.

It's part of it.

The

Another part of it is the politicization has made it a partisan issue.

I mean, in the U.S., and I think that's in a way fortunate, it's almost a right versus left issue.

And as a result, you have people, universities are almost entirely on the left.

And so it's something they support.

You know, the money end of it is sort of funny.

I mean, I have the feeling at MIT that our president, Sally Kornbluth, you know, probably spends her time worrying about how she can use climate money to support the music department.

I don't know.

You know, it is fungible.

Okay.

By the way, I mean this is something that the press didn't deal with very much.

Trump was cutting the overhead.

He was saying that he didn't want to have that included in grants.

I don't think the public realized how significant that was, for better or for worse.

Yeah.

When I was active, if I got a grant, I'm a theoretician, so I didn't need laboratory work.