Richard Reeves

But the education gaps, for example, this is a great example of this.

And Sean Reardon out of Stanford has very good work on this.

You see that there is a gender gap on most educational outcomes across the class distribution, but it's much smaller at the top than it is at the bottom.

So the poorer the neighborhood, the weaker the school, the less stable the family structure is, the worse the boys will do relative to the girls.

So it's not that the girls aren't also going to suffer.

So class compounds the gender gap in a big way.

And for black boys and men in particular…

You see very significant challenges.

And there are lots and lots of measures where black boys and men are a long way behind black women and girls.

That's true for other groups of men, but it's particularly true for black boys and men.

So, for example, there are already twice as many black women going to and through colleges that are black men.

HBCUs now have historically black colleges and universities now have as many non-black students at them as they have black men at them.

Because the decline in the share of male enrollment at HBCUs has been so significant.

Obviously, there's issues around incarceration, education, et cetera.

And so you've got to have that sensibility and basically go to where the data is.

Because honestly, not everything goes the way you're always going to expect it.

So you can't decide in advance which intersections are going to generate which outcomes.

And I think that's the problem with a lot of scholars is that they've decided in advance what the rank ordering is.

Right.

So women are always worse off than men and certain groups are always worse off than white, etc.