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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Well, yes, I think it's really quite a different point of view.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And it can easily get separated and lose the ability to talk to each other.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And yeah, large language models have become such a big thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Generative AI in general, a big thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And our field is subject to bandwagons and fashions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So we lose track of the basic, basic things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Because I consider reinforcement learning to be basic AI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And what is intelligence?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The problem is to understand your world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And reinforcement learning is about understanding your world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Whereas large language models are about mimicking people, doing what people say you should do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They're not about figuring out what to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I would disagree with most of the things you just said.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Just to mimic what people say is not really to build a model of the world at all, I don't think.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You know, you're mimicking things that have a model of the world, the people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But I don't want to approach the question in an adversarial way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But I would question the idea that they have a world model.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So a world model would enable you to predict what would happen.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They have the ability to predict what a person would say.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They don't have the ability to predict what will happen.

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