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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But people, of course, are involved.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And if it's not working out, they fiddle with it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

until they find a way, perhaps until they find a way which it generalizes well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Okay.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So, yeah, I...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

thought a little bit about this.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

There are many things, or a handful of things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

First, the large language models are surprising.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's surprising how effective artificial neural networks are at language tasks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

That was a surprise.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It wasn't expected.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Language seemed different.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So that's impressive.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

There's a long-standing controversy in AI about simple basic principle methods, the general-purpose methods like search and learning, compared to human-enabled systems like symbolic methods.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So in the old days, it was interesting because things like search and learning were called weak methods because they just use general principles.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They're not using the power that comes from imbuing a system with human knowledge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So those were called strong and weak.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And so I think the weak methods have just totally won.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

That's the biggest question from the old days of AI.