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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And how much control do we have?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You know, a counterbalance to our limited control over the long-term future of humanity should be how much control do we have over our own lives?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Like we have our own goals and we have our families and those things are much more controllable than like trying to control the whole universe.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So I think it's appropriate for us to really work towards our own local goals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And it's kind of aggressive for us saying, oh, the future has to evolve this way that I want it to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Sure.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Because then we'll have arguments.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Different people think the future, the global future should evolve in different ways.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And they have conflict.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So you're saying we're trying to design the future and the principles by which it will evolve and come into being.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And so you're saying the first thing you're saying is, well, we will, we try to teach our children general principles which will promote

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

more likely evolutions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Maybe we should also seek for things being voluntary.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If there is change, we want it to be voluntary rather than imposed on people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think that's a very important point.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And yeah, that's all good.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think this is like a big, you know, the big...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

the big or one of the really big human enterprises to design society.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And that's been ongoing for thousands of years again.