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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If you say something in your conversation, the large language models have no prediction about what the person will say in response to that or what the response will be.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Oh, no, they will respond to that question right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But they have no prediction in the substantive sense that they won't be surprised by what happens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And if something happens that isn't what you might say they predicted, they will not change because an unexpected thing has happened.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And to learn that, they'd have to make an adjustment.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I'm just saying they don't have, in any meaningful sense, they don't have a prediction of what will happen next.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They will not be surprised by what happens next.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

They'll not make any changes if something happens based on what happens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's not what the world will give them in response to what they do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Let's go back to their lack of goal.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

For me, having a goal is the essence of intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Something is intelligent if it can achieve goals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I like John McCarthy's definition that intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So you have to have goals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You're just a behaving system.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You're not anything special.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You're not intelligent.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.