Richard

And even they look shaky at different points in different ways as well.

And even they look shaky at different points in different ways as well.

I don't know. I think there's some interesting parts of that Cloud9 lineup. I think there's potential for a longer-term future with Icy being young, with HeavyGod being new.

I don't know. I think there's some interesting parts of that Cloud9 lineup. I think there's potential for a longer-term future with Icy being young, with HeavyGod being new.

I don't know. I think there's some interesting parts of that Cloud9 lineup. I think there's potential for a longer-term future with Icy being young, with HeavyGod being new.

Yeah, and maybe he doesn't for long, but he's signed there for now. And I don't know how long his contract is, but I'm imagining no one signs a one-year contract. It's going to be a multi-year contract.

Yeah, and maybe he doesn't for long, but he's signed there for now. And I don't know how long his contract is, but I'm imagining no one signs a one-year contract. It's going to be a multi-year contract.

Yeah, and maybe he doesn't for long, but he's signed there for now. And I don't know how long his contract is, but I'm imagining no one signs a one-year contract. It's going to be a multi-year contract.

But also, I wonder if like, this is where I think the conversation then goes to like the electronic side of things where it's like, you know, you come to this Cloud9 roster from, you know, the god tier Navi, and then it crumbles and doesn't reach any of its potential. And not to give like Groove any kind of a pass, because I think all the criticisms are very, very valid around it.

But also, I wonder if like, this is where I think the conversation then goes to like the electronic side of things where it's like, you know, you come to this Cloud9 roster from, you know, the god tier Navi, and then it crumbles and doesn't reach any of its potential. And not to give like Groove any kind of a pass, because I think all the criticisms are very, very valid around it.

But also, I wonder if like, this is where I think the conversation then goes to like the electronic side of things where it's like, you know, you come to this Cloud9 roster from, you know, the god tier Navi, and then it crumbles and doesn't reach any of its potential. And not to give like Groove any kind of a pass, because I think all the criticisms are very, very valid around it.

But I wonder if there's some like, there's something that happened internally. We obviously haven't heard much of what happened during that era, why it failed so spectacularly. But I wonder if from like a Cloud9 management perspective, they're like, we kind of are giving Groove a pass on that.

But I wonder if there's some like, there's something that happened internally. We obviously haven't heard much of what happened during that era, why it failed so spectacularly. But I wonder if from like a Cloud9 management perspective, they're like, we kind of are giving Groove a pass on that.

But I wonder if there's some like, there's something that happened internally. We obviously haven't heard much of what happened during that era, why it failed so spectacularly. But I wonder if from like a Cloud9 management perspective, they're like, we kind of are giving Groove a pass on that.

And you just never know. Maybe it was just such a disaster between the players that there was nothing a coach could do.

And you just never know. Maybe it was just such a disaster between the players that there was nothing a coach could do.

And you just never know. Maybe it was just such a disaster between the players that there was nothing a coach could do.

Well, the context quote in the headline didn't help him out. Because there was a lot of context to the quote within the interview itself.

Well, the context quote in the headline didn't help him out. Because there was a lot of context to the quote within the interview itself.

Well, the context quote in the headline didn't help him out. Because there was a lot of context to the quote within the interview itself.