Rick Andrews

And the higher people up are, the more nervous they are about that because it's so much more fun.

It opens up the kinds of exercises you can do.

And then it feels like, OK, it's not just one person and then me like, hey, try this.

It's like the two or three of us.

You need someone to play with in a lot of these exercises.

It's kind of involved in balancing out the other person.

And a lot of the benefits that we were talking about earlier, I think, come from that bowling alley bumper gutter thing.

So it's kind of like if the goal is to like build your creativity and confidence, I think actually doing that by yourself might seem less scary, but it's ultimately like less impactful than having at least one other person there who you have to like trust and like put yourself out there for because then they are the bumper that helps and you're their bumper.

Like you're both kind of nudging each other back on the lane in these nice ways.

I mean, I wonder if this is you're not always interviewing people who do a thing that you also are.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris is also very helpful.

He's also extremely good at improv and knows a ton about it.

Like what is Chris before doing improv or comedy or performing?

And like now, like, can you really feel this like phase shift of like the way it's kind of like shaped you?

is that thing of like, am I worried about how I'm looking?

It's not a comfortable space.

And it is more fun, actually, long term.

It is more enjoyable and fun to try to make other people succeed.