Rick Doblin

Quick talk. What a turn of events. This is absolutely incredible, Joe. Absolutely. A series of unexpected things have led to this day.

Quick talk. What a turn of events. This is absolutely incredible, Joe. Absolutely. A series of unexpected things have led to this day.

Quick talk. What a turn of events. This is absolutely incredible, Joe. Absolutely. A series of unexpected things have led to this day.

Yeah, I just came in from Ukraine, actually.

Yeah, I just came in from Ukraine, actually.

Yeah, I just came in from Ukraine, actually.

Yeah. Ooh, what are we doing over there? Training therapists and psychiatrists. Wow. So Ukraine has enormous amounts of trauma. And so what I'm trying to do is to go to high trauma areas and try to talk about MDMA-assisted therapy and how that could be helpful.

Yeah. Ooh, what are we doing over there? Training therapists and psychiatrists. Wow. So Ukraine has enormous amounts of trauma. And so what I'm trying to do is to go to high trauma areas and try to talk about MDMA-assisted therapy and how that could be helpful.

Yeah. Ooh, what are we doing over there? Training therapists and psychiatrists. Wow. So Ukraine has enormous amounts of trauma. And so what I'm trying to do is to go to high trauma areas and try to talk about MDMA-assisted therapy and how that could be helpful.

Not with psilocybin, not with MDMA. You can't even do research. But over the last couple of years, there's been a lot of efforts by their military, by other people to change that because they're aware that they have so much enormous trauma. So a couple of months ago, the Ukrainian government put out draft legislation to change the law.

Not with psilocybin, not with MDMA. You can't even do research. But over the last couple of years, there's been a lot of efforts by their military, by other people to change that because they're aware that they have so much enormous trauma. So a couple of months ago, the Ukrainian government put out draft legislation to change the law.

Not with psilocybin, not with MDMA. You can't even do research. But over the last couple of years, there's been a lot of efforts by their military, by other people to change that because they're aware that they have so much enormous trauma. So a couple of months ago, the Ukrainian government put out draft legislation to change the law.

And so the training that we did was for 55 psychiatrists and therapists from throughout Ukraine. We did it in the western part of Ukraine, Lviv, which is not really a dangerous area. But even while we were there, there were multiple air raid sirens. But then they look at their phone and they see the area that the air raid sirens are supposedly about, and they could be like 100 miles away.

And so the training that we did was for 55 psychiatrists and therapists from throughout Ukraine. We did it in the western part of Ukraine, Lviv, which is not really a dangerous area. But even while we were there, there were multiple air raid sirens. But then they look at their phone and they see the area that the air raid sirens are supposedly about, and they could be like 100 miles away.

And so the training that we did was for 55 psychiatrists and therapists from throughout Ukraine. We did it in the western part of Ukraine, Lviv, which is not really a dangerous area. But even while we were there, there were multiple air raid sirens. But then they look at their phone and they see the area that the air raid sirens are supposedly about, and they could be like 100 miles away.

square, something like that. So nobody seemed to care. Nobody moved to shelters and we just ignored these air raid sirens and heard nothing. But it's just, it was so emotionally moving because we went to the cemetery in Lviv and they have these in cities all over Ukraine.

square, something like that. So nobody seemed to care. Nobody moved to shelters and we just ignored these air raid sirens and heard nothing. But it's just, it was so emotionally moving because we went to the cemetery in Lviv and they have these in cities all over Ukraine.

square, something like that. So nobody seemed to care. Nobody moved to shelters and we just ignored these air raid sirens and heard nothing. But it's just, it was so emotionally moving because we went to the cemetery in Lviv and they have these in cities all over Ukraine.

And they have something that I've never seen before is that they have just enormous numbers of graves, terrible, they've lost about 250,000 people. But the graves all have flags for Ukraine, but they have the pictures of the person that's dead, the person that's buried there. And I've never seen that anywhere else.

And they have something that I've never seen before is that they have just enormous numbers of graves, terrible, they've lost about 250,000 people. But the graves all have flags for Ukraine, but they have the pictures of the person that's dead, the person that's buried there. And I've never seen that anywhere else.