Rick Doblin

So for me, the psychedelics became the rite of passage when the religious rite of passage didn't have the same impact as I had hoped it would.

So for me, the psychedelics became the rite of passage when the religious rite of passage didn't have the same impact as I had hoped it would.

So for me, the psychedelics became the rite of passage when the religious rite of passage didn't have the same impact as I had hoped it would.

Well, and then in the U.S., where when kids do experiment, because they're worried about being caught with things, they tend to not use wine, but they tend to use stronger drinks. Right. So they call that sort of the iron law of prohibition, that when you prohibit something, it moves more and more to more concentrated, more powerful forms of that drug. Hence fentanyl. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and then in the U.S., where when kids do experiment, because they're worried about being caught with things, they tend to not use wine, but they tend to use stronger drinks. Right. So they call that sort of the iron law of prohibition, that when you prohibit something, it moves more and more to more concentrated, more powerful forms of that drug. Hence fentanyl. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and then in the U.S., where when kids do experiment, because they're worried about being caught with things, they tend to not use wine, but they tend to use stronger drinks. Right. So they call that sort of the iron law of prohibition, that when you prohibit something, it moves more and more to more concentrated, more powerful forms of that drug. Hence fentanyl. Yeah. Yeah.

Or even cocaine when you could have coca tea. I mean, Andy Weil has been promoting for decades and decades this idea of coca tea.

Or even cocaine when you could have coca tea. I mean, Andy Weil has been promoting for decades and decades this idea of coca tea.

Or even cocaine when you could have coca tea. I mean, Andy Weil has been promoting for decades and decades this idea of coca tea.

What was the... I couldn't shut the fuck up.

What was the... I couldn't shut the fuck up.

What was the... I couldn't shut the fuck up.

Yeah, there's a lot of nutrition in the leaves. Doesn't it fuck your teeth up, though? Well, if you do anything too much, it can. You sound like an apologist. Well, I think it's this idea that appropriate use—well, Paracelsus is one of the early physicians, and he said the difference between a medicine and a poison is dose.

Yeah, there's a lot of nutrition in the leaves. Doesn't it fuck your teeth up, though? Well, if you do anything too much, it can. You sound like an apologist. Well, I think it's this idea that appropriate use—well, Paracelsus is one of the early physicians, and he said the difference between a medicine and a poison is dose.

Yeah, there's a lot of nutrition in the leaves. Doesn't it fuck your teeth up, though? Well, if you do anything too much, it can. You sound like an apologist. Well, I think it's this idea that appropriate use—well, Paracelsus is one of the early physicians, and he said the difference between a medicine and a poison is dose.

See what happens. Water will kill you. Yeah. Drink too much water, yeah. Yeah, hyponatremia. You dilute your blood.

See what happens. Water will kill you. Yeah. Drink too much water, yeah. Yeah, hyponatremia. You dilute your blood.

See what happens. Water will kill you. Yeah. Drink too much water, yeah. Yeah, hyponatremia. You dilute your blood.

Yeah, that's one of the things that has been happening in terms of the raves and ecstasy use. So that occasionally people will overheat and die from MDMA, where you dance all night, you don't drink alcohol. Right. Adequate fluid. And you can get hyperthermia. And there are some cases. So that's one of the dangers of ecstasy use outside of therapeutic context.

Yeah, that's one of the things that has been happening in terms of the raves and ecstasy use. So that occasionally people will overheat and die from MDMA, where you dance all night, you don't drink alcohol. Right. Adequate fluid. And you can get hyperthermia. And there are some cases. So that's one of the dangers of ecstasy use outside of therapeutic context.