Rick Edwards

How do you restore some hope?

You know, just a bit of belief in the team because for 20 years we haven't been able to get anywhere in the World Cup.

I totally resonate with that.

I don't think I've registered that until you've just said that.

But yeah, the feeling in the stadium afterwards was momentarily that a bubble had been burst, that, oh, we're not just going to, this fairy tale isn't going to end like this.

But then on the way out, I just didn't look at too many dejected England fans.

It felt quite like, what a journey.

I was so privileged to be there.

Because the margin to exceed expectations is very, very narrow.

And we basically win it.

Yeah.

We are reverting back to type in a way that we are now going, all right, the pressure is on.

We must win.

They can't play as freely as they once did.

And,

All these years on, I still remember where I was for all those key moments.

And I don't remember where I was for other tournaments in that way.

But that 2018 one is nothing like the first time, eh?

What's your relationship been like over the years with England as a fan, would you say, Dan?

Being, well, yeah, so being Pakistani British and actually going further than that, I consider myself more a Pakistani Londoner rather than the British thing is a complicated thing, even though they were over in India for like 300 years.