Rick Perry

And then they come home and the governor gives them a sack of opioids and that makes them feel crappy and they mask it with alcohol.

And we sit around and go, why did Bobby kill himself?

Well, because the government –

failed and it's great responsibility to take care of these young men and women in my opinion so we owe it to them as a matter of fact a dear friend of mine who just passed away within the last two days he had worked with me for gosh 30 years and when he first saw that uh

I was getting involved with this psychedelic drug, this Ibogaine compound.

And we were having a conversation.

He said, you need to be really careful with that.

You've got a great reputation.

You spent 40 years building that reputation up.

He said, you don't want to throw it away on some cockamamie idea here.

And I told him, I said, well, I don't think I'm doing that.

I've studied this pretty intently.

I've talked to a host of different people.

And I said, so I'm comfortable about the science here that I'm seeing and what have you, and I think it's worth going forward with.

But I said, Ray, their lives are not worth more than my reputation.

And that's what kind of continues to drive me.

There are people that still kind of say, why are you doing this?

Because I believe in it.

I mean, I believe it to the point, Joe, that I'm willing to.

risk my reputation.