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through a process where that was just their family, that was their life, they truly believed this, or were they in a totalitarian controlling group that used thought reform and coercive persuasion to bend them to the will of the leadership? I mean, these are different things.

So I think a lot of times people use the word cult haphazardly to just denigrate some group or individual that they don't appreciate, saying, oh, you're in a cult, or that's a cult. And there is a range of meaning to the word cult. I mean, there are rock groups that have cult followings. There are products that are cult branded and so on.

So I think a lot of times people use the word cult haphazardly to just denigrate some group or individual that they don't appreciate, saying, oh, you're in a cult, or that's a cult. And there is a range of meaning to the word cult. I mean, there are rock groups that have cult followings. There are products that are cult branded and so on.

So I think a lot of times people use the word cult haphazardly to just denigrate some group or individual that they don't appreciate, saying, oh, you're in a cult, or that's a cult. And there is a range of meaning to the word cult. I mean, there are rock groups that have cult followings. There are products that are cult branded and so on.

But when we use the word cult to describe an organization, typically we're talking about a destructive cult. And for that, they need to have those three core characteristics to be defined as a destructive cult.

But when we use the word cult to describe an organization, typically we're talking about a destructive cult. And for that, they need to have those three core characteristics to be defined as a destructive cult.

But when we use the word cult to describe an organization, typically we're talking about a destructive cult. And for that, they need to have those three core characteristics to be defined as a destructive cult.

Now with the internet, it's so fast. I mean, in the old days when I started in the Stone Age before the internet and social media, groups literally had to press the flesh. They had to show up typically on college campuses or parks and malls and recruit people face to face. Now people are recruited through social media online.

Now with the internet, it's so fast. I mean, in the old days when I started in the Stone Age before the internet and social media, groups literally had to press the flesh. They had to show up typically on college campuses or parks and malls and recruit people face to face. Now people are recruited through social media online.

Now with the internet, it's so fast. I mean, in the old days when I started in the Stone Age before the internet and social media, groups literally had to press the flesh. They had to show up typically on college campuses or parks and malls and recruit people face to face. Now people are recruited through social media online.

And anybody that has an electronic device that accesses the internet is a potential target. So a group can just metastasize online so fast it can make your head spin. Allegio Bishop, who I testified against in Atlanta, who's now in prison, he had over 30,000 followers on Twitter alone. And there are people that have been called cult leaders that have hundreds of thousands of followers online.

And anybody that has an electronic device that accesses the internet is a potential target. So a group can just metastasize online so fast it can make your head spin. Allegio Bishop, who I testified against in Atlanta, who's now in prison, he had over 30,000 followers on Twitter alone. And there are people that have been called cult leaders that have hundreds of thousands of followers online.

And anybody that has an electronic device that accesses the internet is a potential target. So a group can just metastasize online so fast it can make your head spin. Allegio Bishop, who I testified against in Atlanta, who's now in prison, he had over 30,000 followers on Twitter alone. And there are people that have been called cult leaders that have hundreds of thousands of followers online.

And then they cull from those followers to create a deeper committed group. And you can use social media to do that. There was one couple that I dealt with in the Midwest The wife was an attorney. The husband had an MBA and worked remotely from home for a Fortune 500 company. And he was recruited online, indoctrinated through videos on YouTube, and the wife didn't even know it.

And then they cull from those followers to create a deeper committed group. And you can use social media to do that. There was one couple that I dealt with in the Midwest The wife was an attorney. The husband had an MBA and worked remotely from home for a Fortune 500 company. And he was recruited online, indoctrinated through videos on YouTube, and the wife didn't even know it.

And then they cull from those followers to create a deeper committed group. And you can use social media to do that. There was one couple that I dealt with in the Midwest The wife was an attorney. The husband had an MBA and worked remotely from home for a Fortune 500 company. And he was recruited online, indoctrinated through videos on YouTube, and the wife didn't even know it.

It was happening while she was at work. He had gone through some hardships. A very close friend that he regarded as a virtual brother had died suddenly in his 30s from a heart attack. I mean, he was just gone. There was incredible grief. The husband dealt with this. And eventually he found... answers he thought online.

It was happening while she was at work. He had gone through some hardships. A very close friend that he regarded as a virtual brother had died suddenly in his 30s from a heart attack. I mean, he was just gone. There was incredible grief. The husband dealt with this. And eventually he found... answers he thought online.

It was happening while she was at work. He had gone through some hardships. A very close friend that he regarded as a virtual brother had died suddenly in his 30s from a heart attack. I mean, he was just gone. There was incredible grief. The husband dealt with this. And eventually he found... answers he thought online.

And keep in mind, Sean, that based on the algorithms that are online, if you find something and you identify it on YouTube or on Facebook or on Twitter, the algorithm is going to push more of the same to you and you're going to go down the rabbit hole. And that's what happened to this husband.