Rick Ross

And it's very difficult to unwind that kind of programming, but that is... an answer to your question, why would someone do that? And in the case of the doctors, I know there were two doctors I worked with that were in a particular church called Victory Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota. that was run by this couple.

And it's very difficult to unwind that kind of programming, but that is... an answer to your question, why would someone do that? And in the case of the doctors, I know there were two doctors I worked with that were in a particular church called Victory Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota. that was run by this couple.

And it was a total, just a personality cult in which they had no accountability and they controlled all these people and lived off of hundreds of people that were in this church called Victory Church. And I would eventually be hired by first one doctor who had doubts, and then I would help him, and then I would deprogram his children.

And it was a total, just a personality cult in which they had no accountability and they controlled all these people and lived off of hundreds of people that were in this church called Victory Church. And I would eventually be hired by first one doctor who had doubts, and then I would help him, and then I would deprogram his children.

And it was a total, just a personality cult in which they had no accountability and they controlled all these people and lived off of hundreds of people that were in this church called Victory Church. And I would eventually be hired by first one doctor who had doubts, and then I would help him, and then I would deprogram his children.

And then he would convince the other doctor to invite me to his home. And then I would work with him and his family as well. And then they in turn convinced a cardiologist who was also in the group to leave. So this was kind of a domino effect. And eventually I would do an Oprah Winfrey show with former members of Victory Church, and Oprah Winfrey would expose the group nationally.

And then he would convince the other doctor to invite me to his home. And then I would work with him and his family as well. And then they in turn convinced a cardiologist who was also in the group to leave. So this was kind of a domino effect. And eventually I would do an Oprah Winfrey show with former members of Victory Church, and Oprah Winfrey would expose the group nationally.

And then he would convince the other doctor to invite me to his home. And then I would work with him and his family as well. And then they in turn convinced a cardiologist who was also in the group to leave. So this was kind of a domino effect. And eventually I would do an Oprah Winfrey show with former members of Victory Church, and Oprah Winfrey would expose the group nationally.

and eventually it would crumble and cease to exist. And I have to give Oprah some credit because the group sued Oprah Winfrey and tried to keep her from airing that program. And Oprah Winfrey said, no way. I am airing the program. And actually, the lawsuit attracted more attention, as lawsuits like that often do.

and eventually it would crumble and cease to exist. And I have to give Oprah some credit because the group sued Oprah Winfrey and tried to keep her from airing that program. And Oprah Winfrey said, no way. I am airing the program. And actually, the lawsuit attracted more attention, as lawsuits like that often do.

and eventually it would crumble and cease to exist. And I have to give Oprah some credit because the group sued Oprah Winfrey and tried to keep her from airing that program. And Oprah Winfrey said, no way. I am airing the program. And actually, the lawsuit attracted more attention, as lawsuits like that often do.

And the show aired, and it was the undoing of that Victory Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota.

And the show aired, and it was the undoing of that Victory Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota.

And the show aired, and it was the undoing of that Victory Church in Grand Forks, North Dakota.

Oh, yeah. That's the Canadian cult leader. Is Oprah involved in that one? You know, it's interesting. I've done the Oprah show a couple of times, and Oprah has done some really good work regarding the one show that I did involved Jehovah's Witnesses in which she exposed some of their excesses.

Oh, yeah. That's the Canadian cult leader. Is Oprah involved in that one? You know, it's interesting. I've done the Oprah show a couple of times, and Oprah has done some really good work regarding the one show that I did involved Jehovah's Witnesses in which she exposed some of their excesses.

Oh, yeah. That's the Canadian cult leader. Is Oprah involved in that one? You know, it's interesting. I've done the Oprah show a couple of times, and Oprah has done some really good work regarding the one show that I did involved Jehovah's Witnesses in which she exposed some of their excesses.

The other show was about this group called Victory Church in North Dakota, which ended that church effectively. But then Oprah has done other shows where she brings on people of very questionable backgrounds. For example, James Arthur Ray, who led these training seminars, and three people died. in one of his training seminars.

The other show was about this group called Victory Church in North Dakota, which ended that church effectively. But then Oprah has done other shows where she brings on people of very questionable backgrounds. For example, James Arthur Ray, who led these training seminars, and three people died. in one of his training seminars.

The other show was about this group called Victory Church in North Dakota, which ended that church effectively. But then Oprah has done other shows where she brings on people of very questionable backgrounds. For example, James Arthur Ray, who led these training seminars, and three people died. in one of his training seminars.