Rick Spence
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To me, in a way, it seems almost during the events of 1917 that, one, you had an organization that was very effective when it did that suddenly just becomes ineffective. It doesn't really disappear. These things don't go away because it will reappear as the Ochaka basically fairly quickly.
To me, in a way, it seems almost during the events of 1917 that, one, you had an organization that was very effective when it did that suddenly just becomes ineffective. It doesn't really disappear. These things don't go away because it will reappear as the Ochaka basically fairly quickly.
But it raises the question to me as to what degree there were people within the organization who allowed events to take the course they wished.
But it raises the question to me as to what degree there were people within the organization who allowed events to take the course they wished.
But it raises the question to me as to what degree there were people within the organization who allowed events to take the course they wished.
Well, one of the key elements in any kind of intelligence organization or operation is compartmentalization. Need to know. So rarely do you have an occasion where everybody, everybody in an executive position are all brought into a big corporate meeting and we discuss all of the secret operations that are going on. No, no, you never do that.
Well, one of the key elements in any kind of intelligence organization or operation is compartmentalization. Need to know. So rarely do you have an occasion where everybody, everybody in an executive position are all brought into a big corporate meeting and we discuss all of the secret operations that are going on. No, no, you never do that.
Well, one of the key elements in any kind of intelligence organization or operation is compartmentalization. Need to know. So rarely do you have an occasion where everybody, everybody in an executive position are all brought into a big corporate meeting and we discuss all of the secret operations that are going on. No, no, you never do that.
Only a very limited number of people should know about that. If you have a person who is a case officer who's controlling agents, he's the only one who should know who those people are, possibly his immediate superiors. But in no way do you want that to be common knowledge. So information within the organization itself is compartmentalized. So you don't need everybody to be in on it.
Only a very limited number of people should know about that. If you have a person who is a case officer who's controlling agents, he's the only one who should know who those people are, possibly his immediate superiors. But in no way do you want that to be common knowledge. So information within the organization itself is compartmentalized. So you don't need everybody to be in on it.
Only a very limited number of people should know about that. If you have a person who is a case officer who's controlling agents, he's the only one who should know who those people are, possibly his immediate superiors. But in no way do you want that to be common knowledge. So information within the organization itself is compartmentalized. So you don't need everybody to be in on it.
You don't even need necessarily the people who are nominally at the top. For instance, the Ocrana, the real boss of the Ocrana was the Imperial Ministry of the Interior. The Minister of the Interior, in fact. But the Minister of the Interior had no real effective control over this at all.
You don't even need necessarily the people who are nominally at the top. For instance, the Ocrana, the real boss of the Ocrana was the Imperial Ministry of the Interior. The Minister of the Interior, in fact. But the Minister of the Interior had no real effective control over this at all.
You don't even need necessarily the people who are nominally at the top. For instance, the Ocrana, the real boss of the Ocrana was the Imperial Ministry of the Interior. The Minister of the Interior, in fact. But the Minister of the Interior had no real effective control over this at all.
I mean, to the point was that at one point early on, they actually organized the assassination of their own boss. They have their agents among the revolutionaries kill the minister of the interior. Because he'll just be replaced by another one. He's an imperial bureaucrat. He's not really part of their organization.
I mean, to the point was that at one point early on, they actually organized the assassination of their own boss. They have their agents among the revolutionaries kill the minister of the interior. Because he'll just be replaced by another one. He's an imperial bureaucrat. He's not really part of their organization.
I mean, to the point was that at one point early on, they actually organized the assassination of their own boss. They have their agents among the revolutionaries kill the minister of the interior. Because he'll just be replaced by another one. He's an imperial bureaucrat. He's not really part of their organization.
You know, it's like a director of an intelligence agency appointed by the president. Maybe he's part of the organization. Maybe he isn't. Maybe he is not one of us. So you've got... different levels, different compartments within it, and who's actually running the show, if anyone is. I don't know. That's never supposed to be apparent.
You know, it's like a director of an intelligence agency appointed by the president. Maybe he's part of the organization. Maybe he isn't. Maybe he is not one of us. So you've got... different levels, different compartments within it, and who's actually running the show, if anyone is. I don't know. That's never supposed to be apparent.
You know, it's like a director of an intelligence agency appointed by the president. Maybe he's part of the organization. Maybe he isn't. Maybe he is not one of us. So you've got... different levels, different compartments within it, and who's actually running the show, if anyone is. I don't know. That's never supposed to be apparent.