Rick Spence

And again, it's not, I think, the question as to whether that is possible or whether it was done. although I suspect that both of those are true, but that you would try to do it. Then imagine the mischief that comes out of that.

And one of the big complaints from a legal standpoint about MKUltra and the rest is that you were having medical experiments, essentially, being carried out on people without their knowledge and against their will, which is, you know, a no-no.

Well, one thing that was learned, and the reason why most MKUltra and similar records were destroyed on order in the early 70s, around the time the CIA became under a certain amount of scrutiny. The mid-'70s were not a good time for the agency because you had the church committee breathing down their neck. You had all of these assassins. People were asking lots of questions.

And so you need to dump this stuff because you were committing crimes against American citizens. So let's eradicate it. And the important lesson to be learned is that never do this type of thing again where at least in any way in which the agency's direct fingerprints are placed on it. You can pay people. You can subsidize research. You can set up venture capital firms. You got plenty of money.

And you can funnel that money into the hands of people who will carry out this research privately. So if something goes wrong, you have perfect deniability.

Well, let's look at what Epstein was doing. He was a He was a businessman who then also developed a very lucrative sideline in being a high-level procurer, basically in supplying young girls.

And he also filmed much of that activity. I think...

His partner in this, Ghislaine, and I hope I'm pronouncing her name correctly. I think it's Ghislaine. Ghislaine? Well, I've heard it both ways. Ghislaine or Ghislaine, whichever it may be. I think her argument at one point was that, well, we did this to protect ourselves. But this type of thing has been done before. There's nothing new about this.

Getting influential people in compromising situations and filming them. I could give you another historical example of that. In late 1920s, actually early 1930s, just pre-Nazi Berlin, there was a very prominent sort of would-be psychic and occultist by the name of Erich Jan Hannesen. He had a private yacht. I think it was called the Seven Sins. And he hosted parties.

He also had a whole club called the Palace of the Occult, which hosted parties where things went on. And there were cameras everywhere. He filmed important people. You know, guys like the brown shirt chief of Berlin in various states of undress and sexual congress. And he did that for the purposes of blackmail. So in Epstein's case, he is a procurer of young girls to wealthy men, largely.

And many of those events were recorded. Now, even if it wasn't his intention to use them for blackmail, think of what someone else could do, because people know about this. So you can raise a question, is this not, you know, Epstein is just kind of a greedy pervert. But through his greedy perversion, he's now collecting information that could be useful. Who could that be useful to?

Who would like dirt on Prince Andrew? Think of all the people who were there. And these, you know, there were important people who You know, went to Lolita Island. So if it isn't Epstein directly, he might have been being, I'm not trying to let him off the hook because I have anything for him. He was either running his own blackmail business or someone was using him as a front for that.

I mean, I think we're kidding ourselves. We tried to pretend that's not what was going on.

Well... you know, American politicians could ultimately end up in a position to oversee things like intelligence budgets. One of them might even become director. You never know. You can never tell what some crazy president might do. One of the guys who understood the person was J. Edgar Hoover. J. Edgar Hoover spent a long time collecting dossiers and politicians.

How do you think he'd remain director of the FBI as long as he did? Because he systematically collected dirt on people. So, there is a history behind Of this type of thing. And again, you could argue that's partly for his protection, to keep his job, to protect the sanctity and security of the Bureau. You can find a million different ways to justify that. It's really dark.

Well, there is that side to human nature. Let's put it that way.

The entrenched bureaucratic. Well, it's been said, and I think it's generally true, that bureaucratic creatures are like any other creatures. It basically exists to perpetuate itself and to grow. I mean, nobody wants to go out of business. And of course, you get all of these things like Pizzagate and- of one form or another. But here's an interesting thing to consider.

Okay, and I want to argue that I'm not saying that Pizzagate in any way was real or QAnon had to say that, but where do they get these ideas from? So let's ask ourselves, do pedophiles exist?

Yeah.

Do organized pedophile organizations exist? Yeah, they share information, pictures, they're out there on the dark web. They cooperate. So does child trafficking exist? Yeah, it does. So in other words, Whether or not specific conspiracy theories about this or that group of organized pedophile cultists is real, all the ingredients for that to be real are there. Pedophiles exist.