Rick Spence

The number of levels changed over time. There was a higher level for the order that people at the lower level didn't know about. Pretty typical for this. But the thing about Weishaupt was that he was quite... He was a luminous correspondent with members, with his Illuminati, both during the time that it legally existed in Bavaria and later on. So Weisshoff himself lives, I think, until 1830.

Dies in Gotha, which was ruled by an Illuminati prince. And so nothing ever happens to these men. No Illuminati has ever put to death or arrested in prison for any period of time. What happens is that Their plan, well, what was his plan? His plan was to essentially replace all existing religions and governments in the world with a one world order governed by the Illuminati.

Dies in Gotha, which was ruled by an Illuminati prince. And so nothing ever happens to these men. No Illuminati has ever put to death or arrested in prison for any period of time. What happens is that Their plan, well, what was his plan? His plan was to essentially replace all existing religions and governments in the world with a one world order governed by the Illuminati.

Dies in Gotha, which was ruled by an Illuminati prince. And so nothing ever happens to these men. No Illuminati has ever put to death or arrested in prison for any period of time. What happens is that Their plan, well, what was his plan? His plan was to essentially replace all existing religions and governments in the world with a one world order governed by the Illuminati.

So to do this, you had to subvert and destroy all the existing order. And the purpose for this is to, we wish to make men happy and free, but first we must make them good. Oh, right. So that's what the order is all about. Of course, he also said things like, oh man, is there nothing that you won't believe? Okay, so myth would be used in that. Also thought women should be brought into it.

So to do this, you had to subvert and destroy all the existing order. And the purpose for this is to, we wish to make men happy and free, but first we must make them good. Oh, right. So that's what the order is all about. Of course, he also said things like, oh man, is there nothing that you won't believe? Okay, so myth would be used in that. Also thought women should be brought into it.

So to do this, you had to subvert and destroy all the existing order. And the purpose for this is to, we wish to make men happy and free, but first we must make them good. Oh, right. So that's what the order is all about. Of course, he also said things like, oh man, is there nothing that you won't believe? Okay, so myth would be used in that. Also thought women should be brought into it.

He had a rather interesting view about that, was that we should appeal to women, in part because women have a chip on their shoulder, because they're left out of things. So we should appeal to their vanity on that point, and offer that in the future,

He had a rather interesting view about that, was that we should appeal to women, in part because women have a chip on their shoulder, because they're left out of things. So we should appeal to their vanity on that point, and offer that in the future,

He had a rather interesting view about that, was that we should appeal to women, in part because women have a chip on their shoulder, because they're left out of things. So we should appeal to their vanity on that point, and offer that in the future,

all things will be open and they will be emancipated, so we should hold out the prospect of female emancipation to attract them, because he argued in the short term there's no better way to influence men than through women. get women on our side by promising them emancipation, but he made sure we'll never actually deliver it to them because the future world will be a boys club.

all things will be open and they will be emancipated, so we should hold out the prospect of female emancipation to attract them, because he argued in the short term there's no better way to influence men than through women. get women on our side by promising them emancipation, but he made sure we'll never actually deliver it to them because the future world will be a boys club.

all things will be open and they will be emancipated, so we should hold out the prospect of female emancipation to attract them, because he argued in the short term there's no better way to influence men than through women. get women on our side by promising them emancipation, but he made sure we'll never actually deliver it to them because the future world will be a boys club.

So he talks about these things fairly openly. And this is where you get this idea of some sort of a new world order, which is to be based upon the destruction of the existing order. So there are those who argue that,

So he talks about these things fairly openly. And this is where you get this idea of some sort of a new world order, which is to be based upon the destruction of the existing order. So there are those who argue that,

So he talks about these things fairly openly. And this is where you get this idea of some sort of a new world order, which is to be based upon the destruction of the existing order. So there are those who argue that,

that there is a trail of dissent that leads from Weishaupt's Illuminati to the Communist Manifesto, and in fact, communism itself, that Marxism was simply a further restating of this idea. And you can draw some sort of, I mean, the idea never entirely goes away. The Bavarian government gets a hold of the order's inner texts. So the story is there delivered to them.

that there is a trail of dissent that leads from Weishaupt's Illuminati to the Communist Manifesto, and in fact, communism itself, that Marxism was simply a further restating of this idea. And you can draw some sort of, I mean, the idea never entirely goes away. The Bavarian government gets a hold of the order's inner texts. So the story is there delivered to them.

that there is a trail of dissent that leads from Weishaupt's Illuminati to the Communist Manifesto, and in fact, communism itself, that Marxism was simply a further restating of this idea. And you can draw some sort of, I mean, the idea never entirely goes away. The Bavarian government gets a hold of the order's inner texts. So the story is there delivered to them.

I think that Weishaupt gave them to him. I think he engineered the exposure of his order because it gave him publicity. By being exposed in Bavaria, you gained great renown and they continued to recruit after this. And the Bavarian government actually bans the Illuminati four different times. Why? Because apparently the first three times didn't work. So the fourth one does.