Rick Togstad

That's not me.

He just kind of sat there and was like, I don't understand.

So Tony took a long time to kind of get going.

which, when you look at the crime scene photos, there's a dumbbell in the bedroom.

Usually when we get contacted, we get contacted by maybe one family member.

And the interesting thing was is that everybody believed in Tony Hayes' innocence so much, all his family, all his friends, that we had a conference call for people that wanted to help him financially to hire us.

On that conference call, there were 55 people.

Three.

Yeah.

Glendon Goker, Lane Shields, and Jeffrey Teal.

Let's show for a third time that he's been eliminated, and that way the defense can't use Jeff Thiel as the person who committed these crimes.

And they were trying to act like they were the victims.

And even the judges, like, that's really, he used the word twice, disingenuous.

You're in a scuffle with who?

What kind of a sick, twisted, psychopathic person would commit a crime like this?

You're going to see the utterly botched crime scene collection of both fingerprints and DNA, and blood for that matter.

Correct.

We saw the DNA profile was a engineered profile.

And when you are engineering facts, you're not finding the truth.

When they lie and manipulate to get someone to make a statement, that is not discovering the truth.