Rima Grace

I think uniquely, though, in the American context, there's something else that's driving our feelings, which is we have made so much of our self-worth be our financial worth.

You can take that to the founding of the country in that we have these Protestant values that

If I'm financially prosperous, then I am a good person.

And all of my work and my individual work is leading to my financial well-being, which we know is not true.

But we internalize that.

It quickly turns into, man, my net worth is my self-worth.

And that's a really painful place to be, which is why I think people...

have a really hard time figuring out what's enough because what they might be thinking about is, what am I worth?

Have you ever felt like that?

Oh, yeah.

I come from an immigrant family.

I and my mom immigrated from the Dominican Republic.

We lived in the Bronx.

And we always talked about our lack of money.

I knew from a very early age that I was going to do whatever I could to get my family out of the financial situation that they were in.

I was just so focused on thinking through the world from an ROI perspective.

And I remember when I started my first job right out of college, I was feeling on top of the world because I finally...

landed a job where I was earning three times what my mom was earning.

Oh, wow.

What was the job?