Rima Grace

But it's something that's only possible because of where she lives and the fact that she leans on the people around her.

She's very upfront about her unique situation.

I called her up not because I think she's a blueprint for how to live, but because, well, first of all, I was just really curious about her life.

But also, I wanted to know what enough can look like when money is no longer the thing you're chasing.

She made the big decision back in 2014.

Money felt like the stand-in for the harms of capitalism, as she saw it.

And at the time, she was reading about this guy named Mark Boyle who'd lived in the UK without money for several years.

Can you just paint me a picture of what your life was like before you decided to quit your job and close your bank account?

How much were you making?

And at the time, were you living by yourself?

How are the people in your life reacting and how would you sell it to them?

Were you like, I just want to give up money?

How did they respond?

All right, so you decided that you want to live a life without money.

What's the first thing that you do?

What was on that list?

So you were going to figure out a way to acquire all those things without money?

How did they respond?

So you figured out rent.

You were staying at your friend's place.