Rina Raphael

How do we give it to them?

And there's even sort of religious wellness consultants who will go inside your church or your synagogue and say, okay, this is how we're going to refashion everything to get people in here who want to do fitness, nutrition, meditation.

Yeah, completely.

A lot of these things are taken from different practices and oftentimes sort of molded to really serve the self.

A really great example is even if you take something like this idea of a digital Sabbath, right?

This idea of completely logging off from all your tech.

People forget the fact that the whole idea of the Sabbath is not just to not do work.

It's to be with your community.

You're supposed to have meals.

You're supposed to go to a synagogue.

But instead, we just made it this thing that's don't be on your tech.

Go do something else with your day.

It's divorced from the idea of being with your community and being with other people and serving others.

That's just one example.

But there's so many examples of different ways that we've completely stripped down things to make it really about the self.

This was so much fun.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, thank you so much.

Glad to be here.

Glad to be here.