Rishikesh Hirway

Like it sounds like a man falling or something like that.

The day before I left for the recording, I had recorded with Lizzie McAlpine, an episode of Song Exploder.

And she talked about recording her album live as well.

She had actually made the entire thing and then she went back and remade it

And she talked about how happy she was that she'd done that, and...

After the interview was over, you know, and she was getting ready to leave, I was like, thank you so much for saying that because that's what I'm about to do.

And I'm just scared out of my mind.

It feels insane.

And she's like, no, it's really, really special.

And the fact that just other people can see that, the fact that you can hear that really means a lot.

I'm too close to it at this point to know.

And I might forever be too close to it, but I can appreciate it in other people's music.

Damn it.

Something that I definitely have learned throughout the last few years of working this way is that collaboration is just a relief for me.

It lets me go back to enjoying music.

And I think part of what I love about it is the possibility of surprise.

I used to think that the internal workings of my own mind is where everything needed to come from.

And if I didn't somehow generate everything on my own, that was like a sign of like a lack of originality or like weakness in some kind of way or, you know, a lack of artistry.

And I've gotten to a point now where I'm like, actually...

The whole setup is a myth.