Rizwan Virk

It depends on if we're in the NPC version or the RPG version.

That actually does make a difference, I think, because some people are like, well, I don't want to be in a simulation because if I'm just an NPC, then I don't really matter.

But that doesn't mean things aren't real to you as they're happening.

I mean, there's a philosopher at NYU named David Chalmers, and he said, look, what happens in the virtual world is real while you're in the virtual world.

It's like if you learn a skill, if you learn a language online, have you really learned it just because it was virtual?

Yeah, you still learned it.

In the RPG version, you're a player in the game.

And how do we build video games?

We build video games with increasing quests, increasing difficulty of quests and challenges.

And you choose sort of the next challenge.

And some people choose to have lives that are, you know, with a lot more difficulty level and others choose to have very easy games or when you first start playing.

Like people often say to me, look, if I was in a simulation, I would choose to be a billionaire and a movie star and,

Have all these, like you were saying, have the girls all in bikinis at Hugh Hefner Palace.

Yeah, 12-year-olds would.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

And so it's possible as we go through life, we all face real challenges.

significant challenges.

And if we think of ourselves as players in a video game, then what it does is it gives us this ability to say, okay, even if first I don't succeed, I'm going to keep trying.

It helps maybe to put perspective into very difficult situations.