Ro Khanna
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Well, I think if the president is convening these folks and if we're going to have any federal involvement in Stargate, right, because if it was just all private, we don't need President Trump, then there should be some licensing arrangement for startups who want to use the compute power. They have to compensate OpenAI or whoever else is putting money in for the compute.
Well, I think if the president is convening these folks and if we're going to have any federal involvement in Stargate, right, because if it was just all private, we don't need President Trump, then there should be some licensing arrangement for startups who want to use the compute power. They have to compensate OpenAI or whoever else is putting money in for the compute.
But let's have more companies have access to compute.
But let's have more companies have access to compute.
I'm not saying the government, but obviously Trump has some role, right? If he doesn't have any role, then what do we need him for? If it was the private sector just coming up with the money on his own. So if he's giving it the imprimatur of the U.S. government, if he's saying this is a good project, if he's going to help with permitting to make sure that these things get built.
I'm not saying the government, but obviously Trump has some role, right? If he doesn't have any role, then what do we need him for? If it was the private sector just coming up with the money on his own. So if he's giving it the imprimatur of the U.S. government, if he's saying this is a good project, if he's going to help with permitting to make sure that these things get built.
then I think it's reasonable to say this amount of compute power, you've got to make sure that you license it to startups because otherwise you're going to have these monopolies or these big companies having all of the AI, none of it, by the way, open source, and China is going to continue to compete. And I want our competition, the ecosystem, to work here.
then I think it's reasonable to say this amount of compute power, you've got to make sure that you license it to startups because otherwise you're going to have these monopolies or these big companies having all of the AI, none of it, by the way, open source, and China is going to continue to compete. And I want our competition, the ecosystem, to work here.
No. Very hard to get sufficient compute power. That's the barrier to entry for a lot of these startups.
No. Very hard to get sufficient compute power. That's the barrier to entry for a lot of these startups.
I'm saying that the market is working for Google. It's working for OpenAI and Microsoft. But if you're Mark Andreessen and you're saying, look, I want to have startups that also build AI models and some of those models should be open source, you're going to have a very hard time getting the compute power. And open AI and Google may not want to just give it to you voluntarily.
I'm saying that the market is working for Google. It's working for OpenAI and Microsoft. But if you're Mark Andreessen and you're saying, look, I want to have startups that also build AI models and some of those models should be open source, you're going to have a very hard time getting the compute power. And open AI and Google may not want to just give it to you voluntarily.
So my point is let them have some of the compute power, but let there be some compute power that these startups can license so that there can be more models that emerge.
So my point is let them have some of the compute power, but let there be some compute power that these startups can license so that there can be more models that emerge.
Yeah, they should have some license to some part of the compute power.
Yeah, they should have some license to some part of the compute power.
The World War II example is exactly what worked, right? It was the government basically saying, we're going to do this. We're going to partner with the private sector to get it done. But I think there are two different points. One is you can disagree with me on the licensing part. And that, I think, is an open debate.
The World War II example is exactly what worked, right? It was the government basically saying, we're going to do this. We're going to partner with the private sector to get it done. But I think there are two different points. One is you can disagree with me on the licensing part. And that, I think, is an open debate.
Should there be some compute power in this country that startups should be able to access or not? My view is there should be. Others could say, no, let it just be all private sector. But there's a second debate, which is, should the government be, as the Biden administration was, as scared of open source models?
Should there be some compute power in this country that startups should be able to access or not? My view is there should be. Others could say, no, let it just be all private sector. But there's a second debate, which is, should the government be, as the Biden administration was, as scared of open source models?