Rob Armstrong

And it's kind of the same picture in Southeast Asia, if I'm not mistaken, right?

Rob, is this cutting through in the States or is there still a perception that China's just there for the widgets and putting the little screws in the iPhones?

Right.

And what about that surveillance point?

Do you hear that a lot that, oh, you know, this is very sneakily spying on the rest of the world using other sorts of technology?

Setting all that aside, I know it's a big deal.

This model, it might be kind of alien to us in like, you know, the UK or the US, but kind of works.

Got to hand it to them.

So like China, I think I'm right in saying accounts for like a third of the spending in the entire world on green energy.

Like it's become an absolute superpower in green energy.

Give us a sense of the scale of this thing.

Like how quickly is it rolling this out?

So the solar panels that are not sitting in a massive warehouse somewhere in central China, where are they going?

Because it's interesting, right, that the whole world is kind of beholden to Saudi Arabia because it produces an awful lot of oil.

If you assume for now that China is the Saudi Arabia of green energy, does that give China long term a different sort of geopolitical impact?

You know, I gather like there are parts of Pakistan, for example, that are just getting carpeted in this Chinese solar tech and that must bring with it a certain diplomatic kind of, you know, relationship and a certain geopolitical power or am I over-interpreting?

It must be all over Australia, surely.

One thing you've got a lot of is sunshine.

Or should we have quotas, you know, take maybe 50% from China and then buy the other 50% from somewhere else?

It's a very tricky one for Europe, as you say, because the German car industry is such an important part of German manufacturing and German industrial base.