Rob Cesternino

I've heard that it was like a hard watch.

Did you find that?

Well, it's just, I mean, I watched the other one about Ruby Frankie.

Oh, yeah.

And then now this is about like her co, yeah, the co-conspirator of that.

And like,

it's to me they're just so sick like both of them that it's not enjoyable i mean not that any of the true crime stuff is necessarily enjoyable but like some of them are darker than others yeah some of it makes you feel like really yeah especially like when kids are involved yeah the stuff dealing with kids and like just yeah the that's terrible

But I think we're all also fascinated, obviously, because it's like a whole different psychology of a really fucked up person.

I don't know.

Not great.

Not great.

Not good.

Not good.

Really bad.

I also listened to, have you listened to this podcast, Unicorn Girl?

Mm-mm.

Another scammer podcast.

But this one, this Chica Mama was crazy.

Yes.

She was like, you know when people lie, but then because they're lying, they get the thing that they're lying about?