Rob Mahoney

And so these are kind of like the fine lines we're trying to split with a guy like Jokic, who even in those relative downturns has been massively productive because he's still Nikola Jokic, but...

you got to pick and choose somewhere.

And I think where we pick and choose with this particular NBA season is just that Shea has not had one faulty step throughout the entire year.

It's been crazy.

Well, let me make the argument because I did end up with Wimby at two.

And for me, what I can't, you know, I went again, rounded around with these guys.

What Jokic does on offense is so unique and so powerful.

And what Wimby is doing on defense is so comprehensive.

And you hit it, Justin, just in terms of like the way he affects the psychology of the game is a unique kind of presence, not just in current basketball, but in the history of basketball.

Where I net it out is, if there's any argument to be made that Victor Webinyama is like, even in Nikola Jokic's class on offense, like if they're even in the same world, then I think you need to go Wemby because they are not in the same world on defense, even remotely.

And so it's like, in terms of that greater balance...

I think Jokic, I alluded to it earlier, just has not been very good on defense this year.

I think there's a million reasons to explain why that might be the case, but it's just the reality of who he is on a nightly basis.

And I don't think you would ever say that about Wemby's offense.

There might be individual games where it's like, oh, I wish he would have taken these shots.

I wish he would be aggressive in these ways.

But he has been, even if you took away the defense, an all-star level offensive player.

And then he's also the greatest defensive player in the world.

And that, I think, just tilts ever so slightly even against the overwhelming mountain of statistical and anecdotal and visual and just like obvious evidence that says Nikola Jokic is fucking awesome all the time.

I think the only other one I would add is like LeBron at his downhill best, just like completely broke defenses in a way that felt even unique to other creators.