Rob Mahoney

But then when you get into that next stratified tier, as you're talking about, Joe, there's just a different story you have to tell.

And there's a bunch of other storytellers who know exactly what you've been doing and know exactly what it took to get here.

And they see through your bullshit in a totally different way because they are mired in it.

Yeah.

And I mean, Jennifer Bevan is part of this conversation, too, about these sort of like interlopers, right, who are at this party.

I really think it's Harper, it's Whitney and Jennifer Bevan, three people who probably don't even know on some level why they're here.

And yet they're all after something.

And they come in presentationally very different.

Whitney is like playing the part, putting on the costume, wanting to ingratiate himself to this world.

I think Harper not dressing up or I mean, look, she's in cloaks and

Completely.

And that's a flex in its own way, right?

Like for her, I think it's an expression of power.

And for Jennifer Bevan, it's like a half measure, right?

It's like, I'm here.

I'm here to not quite kiss the ring.

I'm here to flatter your impressions of the world and your perspective.

But, you know, we're not going to go.

I'm not going to bend the knee to ultimately like the old media.

I would love to know both of your thoughts on when Harper and Whitney are discussing the aforementioned.