Rob Ratt

But you lived that life.

So for you, if first of all, like how important is it to actually like the tangible to have these guys?

And I know I'm being long winded, but this bear me out.

that, you know, for instance, I looked at, always looked at the Phillies clubhouse, the Dodgers clubhouse, even Toronto's clubhouse.

It's like the 30-somethings.

Like, holy mackerel, the Toronto Blue Jays pitching staff.

If I was a young pitcher, I'd be like, I am so black.

Oh, Bassett, Scherzer, you know, Gosman, you know, all these guys go down the line.

So...

For you, how important is that when you're putting a team together?

Oh, I like that.

That way you owe me $5.

A straw that stirs the drink is like one of my favorites.

But you're talking and I'm like, I'm just thinking, right there, right there, right there, right there.

I'll start with one of the last things you said.

Now they're going to be looking around.

And this is a dangerous thing too.

And you tell me again if I'm full of crap.

But

sometimes when that dynamic happens, you have people saying, I have to be a leader, and they're not equipped to be a leader.