Rob Schmitz

But that is an interesting change for a superpower like China.

I mean, do the folks that you're speaking to, for example, in Uganda and in other African countries, are they starting to see China in an aspirational way, like they saw the U.S.

as an aspirational country?

So, Fama, I wanted to get also into how you report when you're, you know, on the ground.

You know, there's this thing that happens in reporting where you go out to cover one story, especially in developing countries.

This happens a lot, especially to me.

And you end up noticing something completely different.

And then you're kind of, you know, pulled in a different direction.

How often does that happen to you?

And did that happen to you while you're working on these stories, you know, when you were covering aid from China and things like that?

Fatma Tanis is a global health and development correspondent for NPR.

Fatma, thanks so much.

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