Rob Schmitz

a Hungarian journalist.

She asked a question in Hungarian, and then she switched to English and asked Vice President Vance something to the effect of that Ukraine was interfering in the 2024 U.S.

election.

And as Orban answered the first part of the question, Vice President Vance looked a little uncomfortable, and then he started taking notes.

And his answer was confirming that, yes, Ukrainian intelligence services

actually did have their thumb on the scale of the electoral process in the United States, which was something that he did not explain or give any evidence of afterwards.

Well, I think for the Trump administration, Orban is not only the closest to Trump in Europe, but he's also a leader that because he's been such a long-serving prime minister, he's become probably the biggest symbol of the far right inside of Europe.

In many ways, he's a leader of the populist far right in Europe.

And as we've seen, I'm usually in Germany.

That's where I live.

I'm in Berlin.

We've seen, at least in Germany, as well as in the Netherlands and many other countries throughout Europe, we've seen in recent years the rise of the far right.

In Germany, we have the Alternative für Deutschland, which is the AFD.

That is also a very nationalist far-right party that is now polling in second place to the party of Chancellor Friedrich Merz.

So we're seeing this all over the continent.

If Orban loses this election, you suddenly lose a very influential leader with international connections of that movement.

And so I think for the Trump administration, it's really important to do whatever they can

to try and keep Orban in power.

Yeah, I was outside the rally where Vance spoke, and obviously many people there were very excited about this, even more excited that

that President Trump joined along over the phone.