Rob Walling

this is going to sound like a negative pejorative question, but it's like, how have you not gotten bored? I would, I would get bored where 19, you're going to be, it's next year, 20 years. Yeah. And you know, I know we all have different personalities and I'm, I'm the person who's never worked the same job.

this is going to sound like a negative pejorative question, but it's like, how have you not gotten bored? I would, I would get bored where 19, you're going to be, it's next year, 20 years. Yeah. And you know, I know we all have different personalities and I'm, I'm the person who's never worked the same job.

Even let's see, I think microconf, well, microconf doesn't totally count, but even cause it was part-time for me, it was a hobby for many years. Right. But microconf and tiny seed now, I think are the thing I've worked on the longest six years. Cause Because even Drip, which from the founding to selling was three and a half years. And then I stayed another like two years.

Even let's see, I think microconf, well, microconf doesn't totally count, but even cause it was part-time for me, it was a hobby for many years. Right. But microconf and tiny seed now, I think are the thing I've worked on the longest six years. Cause Because even Drip, which from the founding to selling was three and a half years. And then I stayed another like two years.

So even Drip was five and a half years. You know that? So you can tell I just had that personality of like, oh, I need to do the next thing. But you've stuck with something for 20 years.

So even Drip was five and a half years. You know that? So you can tell I just had that personality of like, oh, I need to do the next thing. But you've stuck with something for 20 years.

That makes sense. Let's go back to the beginning. So you launched it in 2005 and you told me that you quit your day job and coded for six months, which is exactly what we tell people not to do today, right? Don't quit your day job and live off savings. Or, you know, you said your wife was basically supporting you during that time. But what a gamble. To me, it's like terrifying to do that, right?

That makes sense. Let's go back to the beginning. So you launched it in 2005 and you told me that you quit your day job and coded for six months, which is exactly what we tell people not to do today, right? Don't quit your day job and live off savings. Or, you know, you said your wife was basically supporting you during that time. But what a gamble. To me, it's like terrifying to do that, right?

Like, why did, were you scared at all? And why do you think, why do you think it actually worked? What was that time like?

Like, why did, were you scared at all? And why do you think, why do you think it actually worked? What was that time like?

That's when back when people would raise half a million dollars with just an idea like that really doesn't happen anymore. But you had to do it because, as you said, you had to write every line of code and there were really no libraries. And it was so, yeah, it was a lot more to be done.

That's when back when people would raise half a million dollars with just an idea like that really doesn't happen anymore. But you had to do it because, as you said, you had to write every line of code and there were really no libraries. And it was so, yeah, it was a lot more to be done.

That was the thing is the narrative was still raise a bunch of money. But we, there were just, there was Joel Spolsky and there was, well, it was you.

That was the thing is the narrative was still raise a bunch of money. But we, there were just, there was Joel Spolsky and there was, well, it was you.

Eric Sink. Patty O'Levin was there. Patty O'Levin, yeah. And these were, and we all knew each other by name. Right. It was like, oh yeah, they just, and we're all trying to figure it out kind of on our own, but also together. Right. Of like, is this even possible to do? Like there was no narrative. There were no books on this topic. There were no podcasts. You just kind of, it was forums, right?

Eric Sink. Patty O'Levin was there. Patty O'Levin, yeah. And these were, and we all knew each other by name. Right. It was like, oh yeah, they just, and we're all trying to figure it out kind of on our own, but also together. Right. Of like, is this even possible to do? Like there was no narrative. There were no books on this topic. There were no podcasts. You just kind of, it was forums, right?

I mean, that's what I remember.

I mean, that's what I remember.

Yeah. And I remember around that time, cause as I, I think I had done an invoice in 04. And I didn't know, I was like, well, how do you do, how do you market? How do you know, how do you do SEO, AdWords, you know, whatever? And so I would go look at the internet. There were no books about startups doing this. It was all the info marketer, internet marketing stuff.

Yeah. And I remember around that time, cause as I, I think I had done an invoice in 04. And I didn't know, I was like, well, how do you do, how do you market? How do you know, how do you do SEO, AdWords, you know, whatever? And so I would go look at the internet. There were no books about startups doing this. It was all the info marketer, internet marketing stuff.