Rob Watson

And I think what is going on in the foreign ministries and chancellories and government offices across Europe, literally, as we speak, Jackie, is to say, what on earth do we do about this? Because it seems to me that it utterly undermines, it almost ridicules those efforts by Sakhir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron earlier in the week to say, yeah, we think President Trump is listening to us.

And I think what is going on in the foreign ministries and chancellories and government offices across Europe, literally, as we speak, Jackie, is to say, what on earth do we do about this? Because it seems to me that it utterly undermines, it almost ridicules those efforts by Sakhir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron earlier in the week to say, yeah, we think President Trump is listening to us.

He's going to stand by Ukraine after this. It looks as though it's right back to square one.

He's going to stand by Ukraine after this. It looks as though it's right back to square one.

Mr President, do you still think that Mr Zelensky is a dictator?

Mr President, do you still think that Mr Zelensky is a dictator?

I think it's pretty clear that Sir Keir Starmer and other European leaders, whatever reservations they might have, have accepted that Donald Trump is determined to make some kind of a peace agreement on Ukraine involving Vladimir Putin. And that their efforts, if you like, the effort of Keir Starmer is to try and make sure that any peace deal is a reasonable one, that it's not one that...

I think it's pretty clear that Sir Keir Starmer and other European leaders, whatever reservations they might have, have accepted that Donald Trump is determined to make some kind of a peace agreement on Ukraine involving Vladimir Putin. And that their efforts, if you like, the effort of Keir Starmer is to try and make sure that any peace deal is a reasonable one, that it's not one that...

that you would, if you like, give everything away to Vladimir Putin. And for his part, what President Trump was saying is, look, I do think there's going to be a deal. And if there's going to be one, it'll come soon. If not, it might not happen at all. But I mean, there's clearly some kind of distance still. It's obvious that.

that you would, if you like, give everything away to Vladimir Putin. And for his part, what President Trump was saying is, look, I do think there's going to be a deal. And if there's going to be one, it'll come soon. If not, it might not happen at all. But I mean, there's clearly some kind of distance still. It's obvious that.

that Donald Trump is prepared to trust Vladimir Putin, according to what he said, in a way that Zakir Starmer and other European leaders aren't. So they're still very nervous about what's lying underneath this. And, of course, the Brits and other Europeans would want a guarantee of security from the United States, which is not forthcoming at this point.

that Donald Trump is prepared to trust Vladimir Putin, according to what he said, in a way that Zakir Starmer and other European leaders aren't. So they're still very nervous about what's lying underneath this. And, of course, the Brits and other Europeans would want a guarantee of security from the United States, which is not forthcoming at this point.

But I guess the big question is, what kind of deal will be done in the end?

But I guess the big question is, what kind of deal will be done in the end?

In the sense that did he get a firm? They're not going to happen. No, he did not. There were warm words from Donald Trump about the possibility of a trade deal with the UK, which would do away with the need for any tariffs. But trade deals are notoriously difficult. So It's a bit like the whole issue of the deal on Ukraine. It's all a case, Jackie, of what comes next.

In the sense that did he get a firm? They're not going to happen. No, he did not. There were warm words from Donald Trump about the possibility of a trade deal with the UK, which would do away with the need for any tariffs. But trade deals are notoriously difficult. So It's a bit like the whole issue of the deal on Ukraine. It's all a case, Jackie, of what comes next.

So mood music, yes, it was clearly pretty good. The chemistry between the two men, pretty good. But whether it's on Ukraine, whether it's about the long-term security relationship between the United States and European countries like Britain, whether it's about tariffs, not just on the U.K., but on the European Union.

So mood music, yes, it was clearly pretty good. The chemistry between the two men, pretty good. But whether it's on Ukraine, whether it's about the long-term security relationship between the United States and European countries like Britain, whether it's about tariffs, not just on the U.K., but on the European Union.

I mean, in a way, it all depends on what happens next, because one of the things that's really, if you like, marked out this moment as being different is that the Americans and the Europeans have had their ups and downs over the years over security. One thinks of the Vietnam War or the war in Iraq.

I mean, in a way, it all depends on what happens next, because one of the things that's really, if you like, marked out this moment as being different is that the Americans and the Europeans have had their ups and downs over the years over security. One thinks of the Vietnam War or the war in Iraq.