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Rob Wiblin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1910 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

So like I said earlier, in AI 2027 and a lot of stories of the intelligence explosion, you get to a point where one company has pulled far enough ahead of its competitors that it โ€“

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

keeps its internal best systems to itself and only releases systems that are considerably worse than its internal frontier that are just good enough to be ahead of its competitors' released products.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And there can be a growing gap in how intelligent the best internal systems are and how intelligent the best externally accessible systems are.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And the AI company may deliberately choose not to sell to willing customers because they want to keep their secrets to themselves.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Another possibility is they might be willing to sell to you but the price just might be way too steep because the opportunity cost of using that compute to like sell to you to do whatever you want to do with it is training further more powerful AIs and they might be willing to pay quite a lot for that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

So I think both are challenges.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

The second one is in some sense more straightforward to address which is you try to like

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

hedge against this possibility, um, by having some portion of your portfolio, like really exposed to compute prices, um, and hope that, you know, maybe that looks like in the extreme case, just, just having GPUs yourself, um, that, uh, you know, in peacetime, you just rent out to other people doing commercial activity with it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But then during crunch time, um, you redirect to, um,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

doing AI labor, although in that case, you'll have to furthermore figure out how to get the latest AI models onto those chips that you own.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

So you might have to cut deals to make that happen.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But also in less extreme cases, you might just purchase a bunch of NVIDIA or purchase a bunch of liquid public stocks that are exposed to AI to make it more likely that you can afford AI capabilities at the time.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, I think that at least at the beginning part of crunch time, like when the AIs are just starting to automate a lot of AI R&D, my bet is that things will at that point be relatively commercial, relatively open.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

The leading few companies are within a month of each other in their capability frontier.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Or maybe it's hard to say who's in the lead because one company specializes in one

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

like, you know, their model is like a little spiky on like pre-training and another company's model is a little spiky on software engineering or something like that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And I think that the reason I think that is basically just because it's kind of what like a naive econ 101 model would predict would happen.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

It seems like these companies don't have big moats.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And it also seems like what we've seen happen over the last few years, like,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

It describes the present day.