Rob Wiblin

And then having done all this stuff, where are you going to end up?

You're going to end up in a place where...

there are reasonable views on both sides and like it's a complicated issue.

We probably want to hedge our bets and like defer to like, you know, different people with different amounts of like the pot and so on.

And so I think people have a reaction that's like very reasonably like, okay, we're going to end up in a place where

we've thought it really, we've thought it through.

It was a lot of work.

It's still very uncertain.

We still want to spread our bets.

So why not like, just get to the point where just short circuit all that and spread our bets and like lean on advisors.

And I think I have sympathy for that.

Hopefully I represented that perspective reasonably well, but I just feel like in my life, in my experience, like having done the homework, like really qualitatively changes like

the details of the decisions you make in ways that I think can be really high impact.

Like one thing that I'm able to do having like gone through the whole rigmarole of like forming views is

work with researchers to find like the most awesome version of like their idea by the lights of my goals and like pitch them on that and like sort of co-create grant opportunities.

And I think there's just like something that I maybe won't be like great at defending, but I just feel like there are other like nebulous benefits beyond that.

And I like really like operating that way.

Late 2023, yeah.

Or just in tension with, in the short term, making a large volume of grants.

So I think I ended up pursuing a compromise where one thing that just comes with the territory of this role is that there have been grantees that we made grants to in the past that are up for renewal.