Rob Wiblin

funds a lot of this ecosystem, has a lot to lose.

I think if we go down, a large number of helpful projects have a much harder time getting funding.

We have to be a lot more risk-averse than many of our grantees, even though those grantees are also facing an adversarial environment.

I think the way they...

many of them navigated is to sort of like fight back and like explain their perspective and like, you know, define themselves in the public sphere.

I think my like instinct is to just do more of that and to just like sort of say more and respond.

But it's harder to do that from Open Phil's position for a number of reasons.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think I think EA aspires to be and very much succeeds at being like a lot more truth seeking than the world's religions and a lot more truth seeking than a lot of other communities and movements in the world.

So in that sense, I think there's a disanalogy that's extremely important.

I do think there are, like, it's not a bad analogy in some ways, because I think for people who really are deeply involved in the EA community, it provides like a map of the good life.

You know, it's like a vision of what it means to be good and have a good life.

It's sort of unlike a political movement in that it doesn't,

just have a set of policy prescriptions for the world.

But like many religious movements, it intersects with politics.

And there are people who approach political questions like whether you should ban gestation crates for pigs through the lens of their commitment to EA.

And it's not just a community.

It's not just a social club.

I think people...