Rob Wiblin

And in terms of how I'm using what I've learned, I think

I think I just like, and this is like so cliche and it's something that like, you know, if a 20 year old version of me were watching this, like she'd roll her eyes, but like,

Yeah, your extremely local environment, like the literal person you're reporting to matters a huge amount, you know, and like the like two or three people you're going to be like talking to most in your job or just features like how much are you talking to people in your job versus working on your own can just like make a transformative difference.

And I found it interesting to reflect on like,

I said all that stuff earlier about how like EA has become a lot less transparent and a lot less sort of prioritizing maximal integrity at all costs.

And that does still bother me.

Um, and actually, uh,

It's sort of the moral foundations of EA, I think, like sort of utilitarian thinking.

You can go down a long rabbit hole where it like is very suspect in many ways.

And we talked about this in some previous episodes.

But both of those things bother me a lot more when I'm also in a working environment that's locally hard for me, you know?

And it's not like those issues aren't issues, but the salience of those kind of heady, big picture things versus extremely micro things about what does it feel like when you have a one-on-one with your manager is like, I think I had been underrating the mundane and the micro in how I had been thinking about my career up to now.

And I'm like,

trying to like do trials like I'm actually in the middle of a work trial with meter as we're filming this episode and that's what I'm paying attention to like how does the rhythm of the work feel how do the people feel

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, yeah, I think that's possible.

I mean, it sort of was true for me in both directions.

Like I think Holden very much was a huge part of why I like wanted to work at GiveWell rather than work in a number of other potential places or do Earning to Give like I thought I was going to do at first.

um and then when he when he left um that was like coincided with like a difficult period for me and now with Emily in the in the position that he was in before it's like again like pretty dramatically changed like what my work is and how it feels um so so it does seem like it's a it's a big transformative thing and if you're in an organization where there's a leadership change I think it should probably be a trigger to think about like

Even if you don't leave, what might be different about your role and your place and what you're doing based on the different style or the different constraints and strengths and weaknesses of new leadership?