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Robbie Whelan

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WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

So in other words, Meta is agreeing to buy a ton of chips from AMD.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

AMD is giving Meta

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

money in the form of stock warrants.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

And it might feel sort of circular because it is.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

But we're still in the stage of the AI boom right now where every one of these big deals is such a big headline and it's so exciting for investors that investors just bid up the stocks of the companies that are doing them.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

Well, there's kind of like a conceptual cognitive dissonance here, which is that if truly there is insatiable demand for AI computing, one would think you wouldn't need to kind of pay these customers to incentivize them to buy your chips.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

You would think they would just come to you and buy them with cash or with debt.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

But a lot of the companies in this space are still, for better or for worse, startups, not public, doesn't have an investment grade credit rating.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

It's not so easy for them to finance these deals themselves.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

So they rely on their suppliers to help with the financing.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

That's great for them.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

But what it does on the other side of the equation is that it makes people look at these deals in a sort of circumspect way and think, well, if the demand there is not totally organic, then does that mean that we're in a bubble?

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

So every time one of these deals happens, the chip companies prosper and their stocks go up.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

But it does kind of contribute to this broader sense in the market that maybe we're moving too fast, maybe we're in a bubble.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

Six gigawatts is a ton of computing power.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

I mean, we're talking about many, many football fields worth of data centers.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

Just to sort of put it in context a little bit, Meta has committed to building out tens of gigawatts, 10, 20, or 30, something like that, this decade.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

That's their entire program for building out AI infrastructure.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

And so six gigawatts is a large chunk of that.

WSJ What’s News
Pentagon Gives Anthropic Ultimatum in AI Use Clash

That's kind of their whole plan for the next four or five years.