Robby Hoffman

Was like, don't worry.

Because I said he'll come back, and he agreed he would come back, but I'm sure he would have called appropriate people.

He wasn't mean or anything, and he let me have my snacks, so it's like... But yeah, I just don't have that many memories of him, which is explained... Did your life get better when you guys left him?

Or was it just like a rattle?

Yeah, you know, it's...

We felt a lot poorer leaving him just because it was now like my mother is a single mother of 10 kids.

And we didn't have that community support, which wasn't – it was horrible support at the time, especially for my mother who was not having good times.

But we did have the huge support of my mother's family, which was actually way better.

So –

I want to re-answer that.

I think, yes, it got much better.

But as a kid, you're still heartbroken.

But it definitely got much better.

And the support of that community wasn't even support that I could feel.

It was just that other people were like us.

And then when we moved to Canada in this more secular world.

Where were you?

In New York City?

Yeah, in Brooklyn.

When you move to Canada to a more secular world as a little kid, it's like everything was just different.