Robby Hoffman

So when you say pious, you mean like it's put on them.

It's like it's enforced.

Yeah, like we're not holy enough.

It's not a commandment for us to know the Torah, to know the Bible.

So they let us do in school nonsense subjects like English and math.

So I was actually...

even though I was going to this, like, Canadian school, yes, I was behind on the French and some things, but other things I was really able to keep up with, with the reading and all that stuff, versus my brothers learned to read at home from their sisters or from my mother.

They weren't learning reading and writing in their religious schools.

It was all Yiddish, and it was all Hebrew.

Okay, so would you... Do you always feel like an outsider?

I don't know.

Because that's just my read of you.

I think I am just an outsider.

I don't know what it feels like.

I've always been like, I'm American, but I'm Canadian.

I'm a girl, but I'm a tomboy.

I'm Jewish, but I'm gay.

I've had so many things like that where it's like, yeah, I definitely, I don't know.

I'm definitely an outsider.

You have a very forceful personality.